The discussion is pretty complex because it's not legitimate from some points of view. Like, what is the general philosophy guiding the number of humans? As many as possible? Why? As less as possible? Again, why? We're banging our heads for solutions without even understanding the situation. Which is politically complicated as well. We're either workforce (primarily and above everything else) in which case as many as possible with barely any kind of humane conditions either we're fucking special and we all deserve the best fucking experience in which case there's a clear upper bound on how many Earth's resources can fit, considering everything. So we're left in this grey area where you can't really come up with concrete solutions and directions, only political bullshit.

edit: As in "they" (ruling class) are seeing us as working animals and nothing else in which case they'd fit as many of us as possible on the least possible resources just to get work out of us, while at the same time saying "Oh human life and experience is so special yeah". Because there would be a hell of a time trying to get as many as possible to work for a continually worse future. That's pretty messed up, psychologically. Working your ass off just to know you'll be worse off in some years because more are coming here and there's only a set number for resources, so logically quality of life can only go down.

Always a few ruining it for everyone

But we are bombarded with low entropy energy (Sun), that goes to high entropy energy, you could say it's wasted. We could use it for recycling. I'm not really following the argument, I might be missing something.

I think that was the iPad.

while still being comprised on a micro level of essentially good, unique, interesting people who care for each other.

So as long as you find someone decent you close your eyes to the rest of the bullshit that is happening? I don't think that's a good enough reason to be honest.

I think it's mostly because of humans, they seem to be shitty, and able to skirt any system you can imagine.

stop resisting!

Instead you rely on Shell

that's the whole point tho, for them to sell you special fuel, that you can't get yourself, like you could with solar panels. this is more serious threat from fleets of trucks, those companies are already building their solar farms to charge their trucks. that's somewhat catastrophic for companies selling fuel nowadays. of-course they'll push their magic fuel solution, forcefully. who do you think pays the hydrogen shilling campaigns?