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You're basically saying you'd prefer to still live in a country where slaves are legal, over anyone ever having being murdered?

The South didn't just turn around one day and decide slavery should be removed.. Violence and murder was a major factor in that and there are countless other examples.

I know those models and am all for them. I'm Scandinavian so I'm not at all for eye for an eye type of justice.

The original comment I was replying to said something along the lines of "these people don't understand justice".

I was just pointing out that justice is a feeling more than anything else. You can point out that restorative justice is a better way for society to go and it works better for most individuals too but if someone says that they don't feel like justice has been served you can't say they're wrong.

They just have a different opinion on what justice is.

I agree 100%, but I was never discussing what should be legal or illegal.. Obviously any murder should be illegal. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

That doesn't change my opinion that sometimes murder is needed to affect change and sometimes it's even the morally right thing to do..

You honestly thought I was advocating for making murder legal?

What does flat earth has to do with this? The shape of the earth is NOT an opinion. It's a provable fact.

But you acknowledge that sometimes it's necessary for societies to change for the better?

I'm not saying all people who struggle are lazy. Quite the opposite.

You should probably take a look at how many hours the average young person had to work a week to pay for their education or to pay rent back then,compared to now.. The numbers I can find suggest the average college aged person had to work around 18 hours a week to pay for their own education back in 1970. Today they have to work 61 hours a week.

Saying the younger generation doesn't have it harder in most western countries is objectively wrong.

I think pretty much everyone agrees with your take here. People are just saying that if kids are struggling and parents can afford it, it's weird for the parents not to help out financially.

Obviously the circumstances matter and if the kid is struggling because they're lazy or a drug addict you don't want to enable that but if they have their own kids and are working full time I would always support my kids financially if they needed that and I was able to.

Obviously parents are entitled to spend their own money but generally if kids are struggling parents want to help.

Your post makes it sound like the current young working generation has the same lived experience as people who are retired. That's just not the case at all. It's much harder for the average person to save up money and buy a house now than it was in the past.

I'm trying to have a discussion and understand your point of view. I'm not trying to change your mind.

I'm just saying that pretty much any time in history where major changes happened in the power structure of a country or region, it happened through violence.

And I'm talking about another time in history in a country where the elite had taken too many of the resources for themselves, that the average person could no longer accept which, resulted in violence that affected massive changes..