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Neither needs to happen

Food yes, animals products no

You misunderstand the ethics of veganism. Vegans aim to reduce suffering. So far, science points to most animals being likely to suffer similarly to how we as humans suffer, since we share evolutionary history and similar biological systems.

Plants do not share these systems, nor have any evolutionary pressure to be able to suffer or feel pain, since they would not be able to do anything about it anyway

It's not a blanket "living things are sacred"

Furthermore, if you really cared at all about the poor suffering plants, you'd know that the vast vast majority of plants grown by humans are fed inefficiently to animals. So, by going vegan, you'd be hugely reducing the number of plants you are causing harm to

Finally, carnivorous animals have literally nothing to do with veganism. Please stop trying to discredit a movement you don't even understand

You acknowledge here that animals feel pain and suffering and that you'd prefer not to cause pain and suffering to animals

If you have any sense you can see that you eating meat causes pain and suffering to animals, yet you continue to eat meat. Why do you decide to suffer this cognitive dissonance instead of just stopping causing suffering to innocents?

That's how I started too, and now I'm a die hard vegan :)

If your goal is in that direction, don't get yourself down when you hit setbacks. I can thrive now, but when I was first beginning my journey I struggled a lot with eating out, especially abroad.

A setback doesn't mean you can't keep moving forward

You're calling someone an unbelievable dumbarse and then immediately using a logical fallacy, who's the dumbarse here?

An appeal to nature is a pathetic defense. It's natural to rape and murder too, but obviously we recognise that those are negative things that should be avoided. Why do you think needlessly killing an animal is any different?

You didn't need to kill the cow to eat, you chose to kill something that didn't want to die for the fleeting taste of it's dead body on your tongue

You can pay for Reddit?

Bro they literally just want people to be nice, how on earth is that concept making you so angry?

I don't remember specific subreddits but it was mainly left leaning subreddits banning anyone who had ever commented on e.g. r/theDonald, even if they'd gone there to debate in good faith (lol)

You'd likely never know you had been banned from a chunk of subreddits since it was shadowbans

Beehaw is aiming for zero trolls, I don't think they care whether the trolls come with some good people too. They're currently in a position to have zero trolls and I think it's a good goal to strive for