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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 127 points 1 year ago

You can look into Cloudflare's CSAM setting, but I'm not exactly sure what it does.

I don't understand how a web host is legally responsible for what their users post as long as there's active moderation removing it in a timely manner.

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 91 points 1 year ago

You are correct, there is safe harbor provisions on the matter. There is a legal responsibility to report and store the content securely when it is reported as an admin.

[-] KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

It’s like it’s not enough that you deal with all the technical shit, updating to new versions, checking shit out from GitHub, running builds, paying for the goddamn thing, then you are also responsible for babysitting content? Fuck that. Unless you have a good group of mods/admins it is really difficult to do.

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[-] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago

keep in mind that this does not apply to every country in the world.

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[-] Tash@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago

I would love to have the EFF chime in, but there are some protections for you as a host under the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (OCILLA) - or safe harbor provision in the USA.

As to how that has been tested legally on federated content, I don't know. Perhaps another elder of the internet can tell me how Usenet servers handle it.

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 30 points 1 year ago

You are right, there is safe harbor protections here. It's a legal mess that must be navigated carefully. We will see how things progress.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago

While correct, you still may end up having to deal with the law about it. The whole "you can't beat the ride" thing. Could be a ton of hassle and legal fees.

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[-] Karcinogen@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 year ago

This is the reason that vlemmy.net shutdown.

[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago
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[-] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

Here I thought I could create a server and then use that as a instance only to hold my profile where I could then use that to interact across the fediverse

[-] Scrappy@feddit.nl 28 points 1 year ago

You can absolutely do that, just make the profile registration private

[-] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

But the federation issue with CSAM... I don't want those issues.

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[-] Ryan213@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

I don't know what's going on and I'm afraid of clicking the link...

[-] WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

It's an admin post talking about why some images are broken

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Can I ask what the acronym means?

I'm too paranoid to do an internet search to figure it out, but I have a hunch.

[-] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't know either but I took one for the team, regrettably. Child Sexual Abuse Material.

[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

pics-3774560_1

Damn. I guessed it was something like that.

That's so disgusting, some fuckers are sick.

Thanks for replying!

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[-] natebluehooves@pawb.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This kind of issue is why pawb.social is not open registration. These low effort trolls cause a lot of problems, and i don’t want my server to be responsible for this crap.

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[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 27 points 1 year ago

I thought it says/should say SCAM. Boy was I wrong...

[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago

Maybe Mozilla could help. I know they're trying to help make the net less of s toxic place and this is some serious thing.

[-] elxeno@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Wait are images federated too? Can't u disable it?

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think only links to the images are federated.

EDIT: I am from the programming.dev instance, and this post links to https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/22411ac1-3f76-4904-9f0e-8522311c4ee1.jpeg which seems to come from lemmy.ca and not lemmy.ml where this community is originally from.

Maybe it was cross posted? Not sure.

[-] Hubi@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

The thumbnails are hosted on your home instance.

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[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago

Don't have open signups

[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Bruh I saw that shit. It was fucked up

[-] gabe@literature.cafe 40 points 1 year ago

Please clear your browser cache and take care of yourself in whatever you need to. I am so sorry you had to see it.

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[-] Melody@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My guess is that someone noticed that Lemmy doesn't yet have as robust moderation tools as Mastodon and decided they'd federate "NoNoNo"^1^ images all over the place just to be a troll

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spoiler CSAM

CPVery illegal and naughty images of kids

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

I thought about hosting my own instance, but now I'm definitely not......

I thought the worst that could happen was being ignored.... apparently not.

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[-] AliOski@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago

What does CSAM exactly mean? (I understand the point of the meme completely just never heard of such abbreviation.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 year ago

It's child porn, and as horrifying as you've been told it is. Some scumbag trolls were posting it on lemmy.world's memes sub and so .world finally decided to close open signups.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

When did we switch to that instead of CP?

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago

a) "CP" is a very online phrase that I imagine hasn't permeated popular culture for good reason

b) calling it "pornography" is tacitly implying it is arousing and/or serves a purpose, by calling it "abuse material" you remove any positive connotations

[-] CoderKat@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think being more specific is also a good thing. Two letter acronyms are too broad. As CSAM, it's unambiguous what it refers to. But CP means many things. Eg, in software dev, it's often used for "control plane". Some video games (eg, Pokemon Go) use it for "combat power". I think ESO used it as "champion points" (though might have been a different MMO).

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[-] Nechesh@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago

Porn is a legal thing that normal people enjoy. The term CSAM takes a stance that it is always abuse. I think they are basically interchangeable but CSAM is the currently preferred term.

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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

And fuck all of the lemmy users who demand that instance owners take on the risk that the users demand.

No, unpaid volunteers do not want jailtime for the child porn you wish to post.

[-] Kizaing@lemmy.kizaing.ca 13 points 1 year ago

Thankfully I was not subscribed to that community so I wasn't hit by it, but wow it's a bad situation. I will certainly be more wary and keep an eye on things, ready to purge any images just in case

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