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[–] axont@hexbear.net 59 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I know Americans aren't coherent but why is there such high trust for cops yet low trust for the criminal justice system?

[–] leftofthat@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago

Something like "they don't have the resources the cops need to stop the crime. So I trust the police but the fact is that crime is basically legal now"

[–] Ishmael@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

It reminds me of when I got jumped and robbed by three dudes and someone called the cops cuz I was yelling for help. They showed up after the dudes fled and told me that even if they found em the courts would just let em back out on the streets tomorrow anyway. People really think the cops are just held on too tight a leash when really they're lazy

[–] SubstantialNothingness@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Cops lock innocent people up, while those pesky courts occasionally set them free.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Law and Order reruns probably lol (only half kidding)

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Classic latent fascist thinking: "those spineless weak gay bureaucrat pencil pushers are the ones keeping our big beautiful powerful police officers from doing what needs to be done!"

It's kind of like the stab in the back myth on a smaller scale. "The cops could win the war on drugs if the courts weren't working against them"

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

cops on tv

Death to America

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[–] glans@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

higher education is higher than anything its needed for

[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some of the biggest dicks I know in life are small business owners.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No one who thinks small businesses are great has ever worked for a small business owner.

Small business and big business are both awful, just in different ways for workers

[–] booty@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Big businesses are machines designed to digest you and then spit you out into the street when all possible value has been extracted from you. Small businesses are torture devices with the sole goal of creating the most possible suffering agony-shivering

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Yeah that sums up my experience with both

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Unfortunately not true lol, the brainworms are pervasive. Even people who've worked for both and had a worse time at the small business often hedge and say "well it sucked for me but..." or "I hate to say it but I'm better off at " Big businesses pretty much universally suck and people recognize it but small businesses afford them the opportunity to say "well there's good ones and bad ones" and "they're at least trying to do better for <their workers/the environment/customers>"

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago

The destiny of the US is a military dictatorship taking over urban areas and police gangs acting as neo-feudal lords over rural areas

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Small business is one of the primary pillars of the american dream myth. The small business owner is the noble entrepreneur trying to make their way to financial freedom. They are the first ring on the ladder and exceptionalised for it.

It really ought to be one of the biggest things attacked by the left because the american dream myth is a primary pillar maintaining support for capitalism in the US. It is the cornerstone of people's belief that you can "make it" in america.

With that said I don't believe that so few people wouldn't answer "none" for Large Technology Companies. This poll's data is sus as fuck.

[–] context@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

With that said I don't believe that so few people wouldn't answer "none" for Large Technology Companies.

"none (volunteered)" so "none" wasn't an option for a response, but was recorded if they said it anyway

it's a poll of about 1000 people and the margin of error is already 4 percentage points, so i think the "none" is a lot more dependent on luck of the draw and getting people who despise that particular institution enough to say "none" even though it wasn't offered as a choice

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ok so "very little" is the ACTUAL "none" and their addition of "none" is there to play down how bad the lowest response that was actually an option is. This constructs a very different set of results, 16% of society has the lowest possible opinion of police offered as an option in the poll.

[–] context@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

and 6% have the lowest possible opinion of small businesses, the pillars of the american dream myth, the noble entrepreneurs making their way to financial freedom. so 2 to 10% of the u.s. population (given the margin of error) have some genuine class consciousness? as an estimate?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Sounds about right.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

You can count bourgeoisie as having class consiousness too.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Small business is one of the primary pillars of the american dream myth. The small business owner is the noble entrepreneur trying to make their way to financial freedom. They are the first ring on the ladder and exceptionalised for it.

And why is it especially so, in America?

Because they are merely the modern descendants of the "civilized" lofty-dofty settler-petty bourgeois, who fights for their 'rightful' proprietary 'freedom', against the Indigenous people, who have not taken advantage of this and thus must be genocided for this 'misuse' of such land.

In essence, they are a classical liberal wet dream come true, in the New World...

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Most Americans haven’t interacted with the police or their trust would evaporate. Pretty much every single one of these institutions has the privilege of being absolved from responsibility.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

When I was a kid a cop pulled my dad over for running a stop sign with me, my mom, and my great aunt in the car. We all concurred that he did in fact stop, he argued with the cop and got a ticket. My dad is white as they come, and any time I bring up interactions with cops he says you can't trust them... Still votes for Trump, and he's a Christian Western chauvinist. There's no accounting for political opinions in America.

[–] KhanCipher@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I know a lot of people in rural communities absolutely think cops are practically useless, hell we had a case here that a police dept in a small town 10mi north of me got busted for corruption this past year. And everyone pretty much cheered that they got busted because they had really bad rep.

But these people also seem to think big cities are crime ridden hell holes and cops are necessary there.

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My brother got robbed at gunpoint and for weeks he'd bring credit card statements from local gas stations where the stolen cc was being used, back to the police and he was too stupid to tell that their "you should be a detective" was being said to fuck with him.

[–] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

I saw a poll they did where they asked parents if they thought public schools are good, and most people say they're bad. But when they followed up and asked specifically about the public schools their children go to, they have high opinions of them.

Same shit with crime. People think crime is off the charts everywhere else, but their community is fine.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty funny how low Television News is on the list given how instrumental they have been in propping up things like public perception of the police

I guess a rising tide didn't raise their boat

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

Same with tech companies, particularly those that have cornered the market in social media like shitbook

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are people out there with "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of faith in Congress

lol. lmao, even

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

They may be capitalist themselves.

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the American people yearn for a military coup to establish a small business yeoman copocracy

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but that's what we already have

[–] KimJongFun@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

Yes, but this time there will be patriots in control so it won't be a communist small business yeoman copocracy

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

Yeah this place sucks

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

i wonder what % of that "very little/no confidence" for the military is actual leftists vs chuds who think brandon made the army feeble because woke

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

Well it's a poll of Americans so it's definitely not actual leftists

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[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

not one of them is trusted a great deal by a majority though.

lmao america is cooked.

Wow. Impressive how none of these organizations are trustworthy.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"""Confidence""" is hopefully doing a lot of work here.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

"How would you rate the cops"

"Oh definitely hate them"

"How confident are you in that assessment"

"Very confident"

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

This that profoundly sick society Krishnamurti talked about?

[–] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Looking at this graph and deciding the solution is to have a Gendarmie type Military with policing powers (as opposed militarised civilian police) like many South American, European and Asian nations have that is also a franchise that Mom and Pop types can buy and run in their local neighbourhood..

[–] AtomPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Stupid country

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Confidence to do what? To keep existing, or to help people such as myself?

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Petite bourgeois mindset

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

this is like a log lin plot of public expenditure almost. what parts of america do americans think work? the parts they dump money towards funding/propagandizing. i don't think that's very surprising.

[–] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

I am confident that small businesses are run by tyrants, our military is an imperialist force, and all cops are bastards so this checks out

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

you say most trusted, but the question asks for their "confidence" not sure what that's supposed to mean.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

doomed country. no amount of worsening material conditions can make up for such intense brainwashing and atomization. if there is ever to be socialism in the US it will have to be imposed by force from abroad

Death to America

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Democracy is when everyone agrees the government exists only to make things worse and you can't do anything to influence it.

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