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It's the tragedy of our times that advocating for basic human rights is somehow "leftist"
"A society with healthcare paid by taxes? That's communism!" - american one hospital visit away from bankruptcy.
Has there ever been a time when basic human rights were pushed for and fought for by non-leftists?
...is left of the president on health care
She's taken more liberal positions on health care
"More liberal" means "less leftist." You don't get to have it both ways, article writer!
I think the gen pop doesn't appreciate the distinction between liberal and left.
Mainstream America defines liberal as left and conservative as right. They are absolutely not familiar with neo liberalism, classic liberalism, or liberalism as a 1700's era political philosophical conversation.
To be fair, the idea that "the left" can't be liberal is itself pretty complicated.
I'll make it easy for everyone, the left starts at anticapitalism.
No, this seems a useful point to make. The rightward unforgivable sin that liberals make is their commitment to capitalism. It's like vegetarians and vegans would seem to be bedfellows but vegans can not forgive vegetarians for not going the full rational distance.
It's a little bit more like saying I'm a vegan too because I like almond milk on my milk steak.
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Look, the American press struggles with these abstract political concepts. The words like liberalism, socialism, etc have lost all meaning.
But to some it up, her position in the 2019 primaries was somewhere in between Biden's and Sander's position. Basically a Medicare advantage for all (with straight public option included and available to all but private insurers not excluded just strictly regulated). I'm interested in what she comes out actually proposing now that she's most likely the candidate.
Look, the main stream American press struggles with these abstract political concepts. The words like liberalism, socialism, etc have lost all meaning.
What you mean is that the Republicans have spent decades on Red Scare bullshit trying to conflate Democrats with commies, and the media has been complicit in it.
Yeah that's pretty much it, I agree with you.
Harris's healthcare plans were less liberal in the economic sense of the word, as it'd involve more government control. But they were more progressive or socialist (like Medicare, social security, etc all of which are somewhat socialist as the name social security implies). Not quite as much as Sander's though, who was pushing a true single payer system. More than just a public option though. I am really interested how much she sticks with the current plans or stakes out her own policies. Somewhat encouraged that many dems from the progressive caucus quickly endorsed her.
This is not confusing to most people, as they don’t try to micro-partition the majority party into 5 groups to encourage infighting.
“Liberal” has a very different connotation in the context of US politics than it does pretty much anywhere else.
I agree that that’s confusing and dumb. But this is America, so “confusing and dumb” is very often par for the course.
Social Democrats are liberals that support universal healthcare, as a tax supported welfare program.
Socialism is the workers owning the means of production. Welfare programs are just how that has to work if the actual owner of the means is the state.
That's a shitty play on words I assume. Socially liberal is typical leftist, economically liberal is usually right wing. So, left of the president on healthcare is good if it's socially speaking, bad if it's in the economic sense.
If it were intentional that'd be one thing, but the author isn't contrasting economic and social policy (health care is just economic) so I'm pretty sure he's just confused.
They're just using the words in the United States context because they're talking about United States politics. This dumb "liberal isn't left" semantic argument isn't a US thing. It's not using the word wrong if they and their audience use a word differently than you'd like.
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What are you talking about.....saying more left and more liberal is the same thing????
No, that's pretty accurate
Conservatives are the people selling myths like the morality of enlightened self interest, and liberals are the ones trying to make the current system fair
Leftists are the ones saying "holy fuck, come on guys, this is clearly insane. We grow way more than enough food for everyone, can we please start from deciding no one will starve and work backwards from there?"
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