I mean, it's not very cool if the good people living here have to suffer for it. Wishing for collapse isn't progressive or leftist - it's just defeatist.
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Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist. In fact, you objectively can't be considered leftist if you support anything about the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist US system. There are zero redeeming features about our nation. It should die.
I'd prefer gradual reform over collapse. Less shocking to our culture/economy that way I think.
Yeah well gradual reform is right-wing liberal propaganda that makes marginalized groups suffer even more for our own privilege. It doesn't work.
Just to be clear if you had a magic button that would result in guaranteed gradual reform if you pressed it. And not pressing it would result in collapse.
You would press the button, right?
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Liberals themselves have told me:
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We are a "first past the post" electoral system. That alone should disillusion you of hope for any change through voting.
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Biden is "the most progressive president we've ever had." This is probably sadly true, which again shows that anyone who cares about marginalized groups should hope for the collapse of such an outrageously atrocious system.
Collapse is best. We should work towards collapse.
Edit: Autocorrect sucks donkey ass
i don't think the left wing is best positioned to take power if there was a collapse
i think a collapse would bring the us significantly more right wing
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Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist
And see the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist China and Russia rise to wreck the world as they see fit just like how USA do? How very leftist of you.
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Yeah. And asinine.
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And op is saying some shit about just giving governing to natives, but those would be the first people to suffer hard in a collapse. They just want people to hurt.
Accelerationism is a bigoted ideology that seeks to pit the minority against the majority during a state of economic and political collapse. It looks okay in a vacuum and on paper, but the reality is that in the event of widespread instability sociopaths would almost certainly seek power by convincing the majority population that it's minorities are the root of all their problems. You now have a second Holocaust on your hands.
Furthermore, I'm almost certain that it is spread by Nazis seeking to harness the left's hatred of the West in order to achieve their goal of "cleansing the white race" because I've observed that accelerationism is extremely popular with Nazis. They believe that a collapse will allow them to exterminate anyone they believe to be degenerate or inferior without being impeded. The extreme left, like always, is getting suckered into believing in a post-crash utopia and is helping them spread their disgusting ideology.
Sir, you are almost certainly a Nazi or a Nazi's unwitting cockholster. That makes me extremely disappointed because I know you didn't used to be like this.
You wanna make a real change? That means you have to actually get out from behind your PC and start targeting common "issues". You have to tackle the "problems" that the US is facing head-on. None of this cowardly, keyboard-warrior bullshit where you simp for some kind of fake, Nazi-inspired utopia and hope that something better will replace the US when the US collapses (spoilers: it'll only get worse). You have to actually take matters into your own hands.
You won't though, because you don't actually care, you just want to watch the world burn. You've drunk your flavor aid and now you're dying and can't see straight. Your mind has been poisoned to the point where you can't see the harm that your rhetoric threatens or who your rhetoric actually serves. As such, I'm not interested in arguing with you because I know you've convinced yourself that you're right and as such, nothing I can say will convince you otherwise. I'm more concerned about others following you while believing they're somehow doing good.
I'm not a sir, I'm not an accelerationist, and I actually do care. Unlike these fucking self-absorbed liberals, I care about groups like Palestinians, immigrants, and the many, many demographics we exploit for our well-being. I'm sorry you libs don't give a rat's ass.
No one believes that you actually believe any of that.
If someone can't believe that anti-fascists exist, then I'm not sure what to tell you
We believe anti-fascists exist and are extremely important. You just seem to be an idiot.
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collapse
Yeah ... it almost certainly won't. The world's largest economy and millitary will still be unmatched, except now they're under the control of mask-off christofascists. They're evil, but unfortunately they're not stupid.
Everyone in the free world will be in for a bad time to varying degrees. I can promise you the new regime won't be isolationists.
Dolphins and rainbows? What kind of LSD has OP been taking? Yeah, America is a hypocrite, and its politicians are liars who selectively apply "justice". American exceptionalism DOES indeed seem like a joke, and it is arguably far from the best Western or "democratic" country, but what country would OP say is the model we should all follow? OP, you obviously hate the USA. What country is the best in your opinion? I hate shit countries, but I sure as fuck would rather eat this shit over the shit I see in some countries.
I'm anarchist, so this is a hard question to answer
All states will devolve into fascism. The USA is just a lot more egregious than most, and it's very obvious that the world would be much better off were it to die.
If you think a collapse (and somehow having the indigenous take control through some mysterious force of the Abrahadraba) is anarchism, then you clearly don't know what that actually means.
I say this not as an anarchist,but as a baseline good person: Death to the USA
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This is what the phrase "can't see past their nose" looks like. OP has correctly identified a problem, and identified the fault. They just haven't internalized the wide reaching effects of a total dismantling.
This is not something that's going to be good for people like you're hoping. This is going to hurt a lot, and if history is to believed it won't be replaced by the people who share your views. It'll be another future fascist government.
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It'd be nice if we didn't kill the world when we do, but we will. And if the empires that are eager to snap up the corpse weren't demonstrably worse.
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