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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (47 children)

So, I used to work in the disability services sector and the 14b argument is more complicated than most people want to admit.

I’ll use one guy I knew as an example. He loves work. He loves getting his paycheck. His idea of work? Assemble one widget in the morning and then talk to his friends for the rest of the day. He doesn’t give a shit that his paycheck is $2. This man would not be able to hold down a regular job without some paid full time to support him 1:1. So, if we eliminate all 14b facilities (and Goodwill is not alone in running these, in fact none are run by Goodwill in my area), what do we do with those individuals all day? They would end up sitting in their home all day unless we accompanied a 14b ban with a significant increase in funding for disability services. I do not believe that will happen. Politicians will ban 14b facilities and say “look, no more subminimum wages!” and leave it at that.

And I’ve had the conversation with many people. “Wouldn’t you rather have a regular job?” Very few say yes. They like the slow pace of the work and the ability to socialize. Those that do work at a high pace generally make minimum wage (the pay is set to be equal to minimum wage when they do work at a typical rate. They are paid by widget completed at a piece rate. The employer runs “time studies” with their staff to see what a reasonable amount of work is. If that’s 10 widgets per hour, you get paid 1/10th of minimum wage per widget). So, if the people with disabilities are telling me they like it, who am I to say they need to all find regular jobs?

Obviously there’s also an ethical question about the value of labor and what it means to “work”.

Edit: I hadn’t actually read that specific article. The allegation of not cleaning someone after an incontinence issue is entirely separate from the subminimum wage discussion because that’s something abuse happens to people with disabilities, unfortunately, regardless of setting. Does the worker making the video realize that her individuals have the choice to go to work each day? Also, she infantalizes them by calling adults “boys and girls,” a classic no no in disability services and a personal pet peeve. If she cares about them, she should have a conversation with them about their preferences, not post a video online for views.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -3 points 4 months ago

It is one of those issues that sounds cruel, but it isn't. If they had to pay a full wage, the disabled wouldn't be hired. As long as they are payed fairly for their work then I am OK with it.

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gork@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't know whether to be horrified or aroused

[–] unreachable@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago
[–] mwproductions@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A Virginia man bought a tattered piece of cloth claiming to be part of George Washington’s war tent. It’s now in a Philadelphia museum.

Saved you a click.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] mwproductions@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Apparently not. I wonder why I didn't see that? And judging by the upvotes on my comment, neither did several other people. 🤷

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

It could depend on the app/website you use. Just found it funny.

[–] Landslide7648@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That guy sure is afraid of his wife.

[–] Solwolf 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From the article:

After a small bidding war Moore won the cloth fragment for $1,300. He decided not to reveal that fact to his wife, Susan Bowen.

“I didn’t want to tell her because then she’s going to ask me, ‘Where’d you get that and how much did you pay for it?’” he said. “It’s hard for me to lie about that.”

Even after the fragment was delivered, he kept it under wraps until his wife’s son was home.

“He thought it was safer to show me when there was somebody else around,” Bowen said.

As someone previously in an abusive relationship, it's nothing like a sure sign he's in one but it's a red flag.

[–] Solwolf 4 points 4 months ago

I didn’t read that whole part of the article. Huge red flag

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