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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (27 children)

This does sound like appeasement. If I buy a book, be it a copy of the Koran, 50 Shades of Gray, or anything else then it's my property and I should be able to do with it as I wish. If someone else gets offended, that shouldn't be my problem.

We shouldn't tolerate the intolerant.

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[–] SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Welcome to the modern world. Where a country can destabilize another country by burning some stupid ass books.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Got to say the 21st century is shaping up to be disappointing. One would have hoped the garbage that was religion would have finally died off already.

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[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do you think that wasn’t possible before? That’s pretty naive. Burn a Bible in medieval Europe and tell me what happens.

[–] DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Local anger then forgotten. No one would ever hear about it outside the few people who lived nearby

[–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Early Crusades beg to differ. Everyone would hear a really distorted version of this "persecution" and then go on a huge march and kill some unrelated people about 5 years later.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ugabooga the shamans daughter in caveman times, you get kill. Tell me what happens.

Most countries have already moved out of the medieval age yaknow.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Emphasis on medieval though. Muslims can drive lambos, they can also arrive in this millennium on other topics.

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[–] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Laws shouldn't be written to appease any religion.

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[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One upside to the crazy rednecks in the US is that a bill like this would likely see a large uptick in Quran burnings.

Are the Danish generally supportive of something like this? I would be pretty upset about a harmless form of protest being banned because some people in another country were mad about it.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean the Danish are the ones burning the books in front of foreign embassies. I think their opinions are mixed.

[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The burning is being done by a couple of idiots who wants attention. It isn't something that happens on a regular basis, making the bill even more absurd.

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[–] kense@lmmy.dk 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Danish chiming in, and while I can't speak for all my countrymen we discussed the topic at work yesterday.

Everyone I talked to had the same mixed feelings.

No, we shouldn't cater to the religious groups who wants to limit free speech because they get offended over someone burning their copy of a religious book.

No, anyone shouldn't burn religious books in public to incite hate and publicly display their (stupid ass) racism.

A quote from a Danish rapper, made some years ago, is currently trending

If we want to show people of the Middle East how great "freedom of expression" is, maybe we shouldn't use it to mock people who don't have it.

So, conclusion is we are torn..
Common conclusion was that everyone should be allowed to burn anything that is legal to burn on their own property. When you take that action into the public, it's okay that it's regulated..

If it's okay that that regulation only applies to religious books... don't know.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If this law passes, it will only galvanize more and more restriction. Never seen an extremist who took a finger and then didn't ask for the whole arm.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I assume they will also ban burning of all religious books to be fair?

[–] DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah the proposal is for all religious texts

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still not really sure if it's a good idea to ban the burnings, since it's apparently how you are supposed to dispose of Qurans in the first place

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/24/147321213/how-to-properly-dispose-of-sacred-texts

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[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

Blasphemy laws for the modern day.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I read that as "Korean burning" and I was like wow that really got out of hands

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Let's step back and see what this teaches people:

If you threaten violence, and are known to actually commit violence over something stupid, governments will bend to your will.

Is this REALLY the message we want to send? Instead of pandering to these religious clowns, come down hard on anyone who threatens violence - zero tolerance for this shit. Either enter the 21st century and turn your back on ass-backwards caveman thinking, or go back to the the shithole countries that you came from where murdering people over a stupid book is allowed.

[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sweden and Denmark love the Saudi money.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It isn't a slippery slope when you are on it, it is just a slope at that point.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


COPENHAGEN, Aug 25 (Reuters) - The Danish government said on Friday it was proposing legislation that would make it illegal to burn copies of the Koran in public places, part of the Nordic country's effort to de-escalate tensions with Muslim countries.

Denmark and Sweden have seen a string of protests in public in recent weeks where copies of the Koran have been burned or otherwise damaged, prompting outrage in Muslim nations which have demanded the Nordic governments put a stop to the burnings.

The government rejected protests by some Danish opposition parties that said banning Koran burnings would infringe on free speech.

"I fundamentally believe there are more civilised ways to express one's views than burning things," Hummelgaard said.

Danish Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen had in July said the government would seek to "find a legal tool" that would enable authorities to prevent the burning of copies of the Koran in front of other countries' embassies in Denmark.

Neighbouring Sweden has also said it is examining ways to legally limit Koran desecrations to reduce tensions after recent threats that led the country's security officials to raise the terrorist threat level.


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[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking assholes and idiots.

[–] Hank@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In this case everyone involved, the 'victims' included.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If I don't like a student's work, would I be allowed to burn a copy of it in front of their peers? Nope, it would probably get me fired as it would be seen as personal animosity towards a student.

How about the work of another academic? Sketchy ground - I'd have to genuinely hate them to consider their work as worth nothing more than smoke. Then again, I should probably burn a copy of the original anti-vax "paper" to make a point to students about bad studies and how scholars feel about such authors. I suspect my inbox would be filled with anti-vax hate by the end of the day if it reached social media.

Overall, I'd argue that book burning shouldn't be banned, but also that it isn't effective. All it does is hand corrupt theocracies the cry of "see, those heathen book burners hate you all - you should purge them in holy fire". It doesn't drive change towards a more progressive government, and merely ensures that the rule of dictatorship finds its way to our shores.

It is a protest that defeats itself.

[–] leonardo_arachoo@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Burning someone's work would most often just make you seem deranged. But don't muddy the waters here, the key point is it must be legal. And if someone wants to make it illegal, that's the rare good reason to actually do it.

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[–] seejur@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Private sector backlash != state backlash

[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The USA protects burning and stomping our own flag, as it should in my opinion. Free expression of dissent against a symbol and what it represents to that person.

Same should hold true for other things. Same with art too, "Piss Christ" made a lot of Christians very angry, but it was protected as artistic expression.

If you feel that the only way your message can be received and understood with its full intended impact is to disrespect a sacred/beloved symbol, you should be allowed to do it.

Stomp a flag, piss on a cross, burn a Koran, spit on a relic. If you own the property, and you aren't tresspassing or directly intimidating somebody, go for it 100%

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