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[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 131 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I hate it when people say shit like this so authoritatively. Like this is some conjecture at best. It’s a baby. No one knows why a baby does this. Someone assumed that and some other people said oh yeah that makes sense.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 72 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

We interviewed 10,000 babies and learned jack shit

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We interviewed 10,000 babies and the most common answer were:

giggle

cry

smile

shit themselves

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

shit themselves

Glad I frequently have a common answer

[–] debil@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Or like a study in UK concluded: fuck all.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

My first thought what how the fuck could you possibly know that

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't really seem that hard to test? Emotions--at least in their occurrence and strength--are detectable with non-invasive brain scans. We've been doing that for ages. Put some electrodes on a baby, let them see their mommy, watch the graph spike until they turn away.

The argument "how could we know that about babies?" was used, for decades, to justify doing surgery on babies without anesthesia. They can't talk, so who knows if they're feeling pain or not. Guess we can safely assume they don't. Point being, we don't have to have a conversation with them about it to know why they're doing something.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Oh yeah let me just plug in an fmri and find out if someone is definitively experiencing “joy”. That’s high level somewhat subjective emotion, not pain. Neurological understanding is not nearly as advanced as you think it is. I spent my post doc doing fmri research; the best thing you could come up with here is “areas of the brain associate with pleasure are highly activated” but even that doesn’t necessarily indicate the baby feels overwhelmed. Maybe I’m wrong and there’s some fancier neuroscientist out their that can read baby brains but I doubt it

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah baby please stand still for the brainscan... Or try to laugh while your head is restrained in a vise. Easy peasy

[–] door_in_the_face@feddit.nl 9 points 4 months ago

EEG's aren't that uncomfortable.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

You don't know what an EEG is, do you?

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[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

While I think scanning baby brains is not really viable for this (see my other reply) they actually do basically put babies in a restraint for X-rays and neurological scans that looks pretty fucked up. But I mean if a baby is having seizures or has a suspected broken bone you have to get imaging, even if it’s kind of cruel

!(https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5247993e-4362-4606-96c2-928b4ee7669a.jpeg)

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[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's nicer to believe than my baby turned away because it's tummy hurts from laughing at my face too much.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

it's tummy

~~*its tummy :)~~

Edit: I stand corrected. Their tummy.

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

their*, babies aren't objects

Excellent point! I stand corrected.

[–] abcd@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

it isn‘t tummy 😉

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That sounds incredibly pulled out of someone's ass.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Source: trust me bro

Also "emoting"

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hey, I have no problem with verbing words though. Also emote has been in use for many decades.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Babies are the most adorable things that routinely ruin your sleep isolate you from your friends eat your entire wallet and reward you by making you personally clean all their literal shit.

And some how when they grow up all you can do is wish you had your adorable scrunchietato back

[–] Fluba@lemdro.id 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Missing commas aside, I agree.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

, , , , ,

I had some extra ones laying around for you.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

When you put the table together but there are some extra screws

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the lack of commas is a stylistic choice, the unceasing torrent of negative words relating to the frantic nature of parenthood, dealing with one thing after another without pause.

If it's not, then that seems like quite a happy little accident!

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I kinda was going for that just raising more and more and more problems until you run out of breath mid word kinda tone

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Actually it's because they didn't buy the premium emote as it was like a thousand V-Bucks.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t this woman some sort of religious fundamentalist?

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

She is religious, and writes opinion articles, so I wouldn't take anything she says any more seriously than anything you read here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bruenig

https://www.theatlantic.com/author/elizabeth-bruenig/

This makes me think she's probably not a fundie.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago

I have a feeling this is like that elephant "fact" that was spread around and I 100% fell for, that elephants look at us and think we're "cute".

[–] UmeU@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Plausible enough, but a good reminder to read the citation before passing along as a fact. That’s how dictatorships come about.

[–] Nicoleism101@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Fake or not it made me smile and I do think/remember children feelings being extremely strong. Minor shit makes kids cry and wallow in despair. We all ought to remember about that more often and be gentle with little humans

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

It's all the best and worst they've ever felt, cause it's all they've known yet.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

In my experience, the first time your child smiles at you, you're overwhelmed with joy and wonder, which is undercut moments late by the realization that your child is not smiling because of you, but because they just took a massive shit.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Autism is our natural state but for most people vaccines push it out of the body

(it was in the balls)

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So my orchiectomy will remove my autism? 😭

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I don't know that's a pretty big word so I'm pretty sure that's going to make you Jewish

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I thought all balls were filled with microplastic these days.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Autism is made of plastic.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago

The average person has a credit card worth of autism in their body

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

That explains what Commander Data looks like that.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Well now I'm picturing the poor SoB who got his mmr directly into the testicle

I don't know who'd be in bigger legal trouble, the parent who let it happen or the doctor who's batshot enough to actually do it

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago

My adult partner also does this

[–] Queen___Bee@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Regardless of the source's background, the information she mentioned actually reflects current knowledge of how infants and older children develop. In order to develop emotion regulation skills, healthy attachment, and social skills, we do naturally look away from our caregiver and others doting on us as a way to self-regulate intense feelings.

In fact, many children can develop attachment and emotion regulation issues if caregivers aren't responsive and share compassion or empathize with a child's behavior (e.g. a baby becoming upset and crying if- when looking away- the caregiver instead tries to get its attention repeatedly and not giving the child a break.) That's why it's important to have some level of emotional intelligence to develop healthy attachments with kids and them with us.

For more information, you can look up attachment theory and theories on human development (Erikson, Piaget, etc.). This is also mentioned here.

Source: Therapist

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 6 points 4 months ago

... they sometimes turn away in the middle of smiling at you because they're so overwhelmed by joy they can't handle all the emotion and have to regulate like Warren G and Nate Dogg.

[–] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Yes, the babies all said that was the reason when they were interviewed later.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

[citation needed]

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