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This comment says it better than I could. The debate was a disaster for Biden. Which sucks.

tbf, arent those border policies somewhat popular among some latino voters? Im not defending those policies as they dont align with my own views on the topic, but theres plenty of room for people that managed to get through the immigration system legally to look down of people who havent, or for people born in the country to dislike migration even if their ancestors did it, or for people that want to "pull up the ladder behind them" so to speak. Biden couldnt exactly expect Trump's border policies to automatically win him that demographic either way.

when Biden literally copies trump illegal border policies

There are three big problems with immigration at the present moment:

1. There's a huge backlog of asylum / deportation cases which means people stay in custody in racist and oppressive overcrowded prisons
2. We're rate limiting the people coming into the country (see point #1), which means a lot of asylum seekers who are trying to do it legally wind up waiting for months (maybe years now, IDK) on the other side of the Mexican border, basically just living in a big, dangerous, squalid, crime-ridden open-air field with no facilities for life, and no job, no medical care for anyone no matter how young or old, it's fuckin dangerous
3. The whole agency in charge of the thing is racist and oppressive

Biden is unable fix the third without an act of God (or, without firing the whole system and then finding 40,000+ people who want to be immigration police who are not racist, so basically an act of God).

Biden is unable to fix the first two problems also, although they do have legislative solutions, because the Republicans block anything he does, even when he tried promising to do some cruel or racist things as a compromise in order to get them to also agree to some badly needed things (mostly, increasing ICE funding so they can at least house the people they have in better conditions, and increasing the number of judges to process cases so people don't wait for a year before their case is heard).

And, any time he tries to do anything about it, e.g. reducing the rate of people allowed to come across the border or increasing funding for ICE, everyone on the left as far as I can tell thinks he's just being cruel on purpose for no reason and gets really mad at him.

So my questions are:

1. What illegal border policies do you think Biden is copying?
2. What specific thing do you think he should do, instead of trying to increase the number of judges and the funding for ICE, and compromising with the Republicans to try to get it done when they block him on it?

What you have is a person who stated lies as fact and did a decent job of being convincing and a person who was generally truthful but seemed like he “wasn’t all there.” Undecided voters who “don’t follow politics” are going to see this and say “You know, I think I understand why people support Trump.” That’s a very scary prospect.

to be fair to Biden, he wasn't all there. I mean, he had a cold, and if that doesn't fog things up, the medications would.

But, I feel like somebody on his Campaign programing team should have pointed out that if the win-conditions for a successful debate is literally staying alive (see John Olliver rant,) that there wasn't really much to be gained by it in the first place. it's not like we don't know their positions. we've already had 4 years of these guys. (well, 3.5 for biden. close enough for politics.)

According to this recent study, young people who want a more progressive option

"A majority (60%) think the U.S. should increase spending on social programs and increase taxes on businesses and wealthy Americans.

This survey finds no evidence that a rightward ideological shift would solve Biden’s problems with swing voters. Swing voters broadly think Biden needs to take more action to solve our country's problems and broadly lean left on economic and social issues. Only 16% say that Biden being “too liberal” is a reason they might not vote for him.

The top two issues swing voters select as actions that would make them definitely vote for Biden are raising taxes on the wealthy (23%) and raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour (18%)."

https://www.dataforprogress.org/insights/2024/5/30/measuring-the-swing-evaluating-the-key-voters-of-2024

This one affirms our convictions so it must be true

It's like you didn't even read the article or what they said and are trying to pretend they said something else. Amazing that you would pull the term "gaslighting" out, it's almost as if you know what you are doing.

To reiterate he article, they were turned off by Trump's lies and repeating the same things and avoiding the questions. None says they were inspired by Biden.

I supported Biden before the debate, I support him now after the debate. But now it's more of a "Ah fuck, look at this mess I'm going to be voting for, ah fuck what the fuck America aaaaaaah." Than it was before.

Trump's lies were more obvious than normal. So there's that, I guess.

Maybe they just related to someone having trouble keeping up with a yelling idiot liar?

Agreed. How about the other guy? Was anybody inspired by him?

I'm really sad that it's come to this. It's how I feel when my coworkers vote to go out to a sushi restaurant. I don't like fish and I'm allergic to shellfish, so I eat my pile of steamed rice and bite my tongue when they want to split the bill equally.

What was I talking about again?

I learned absolutely nothing new from the debate. Trump is a habitual liar and Biden is a doddering old man. Out of our two wonderful choices I'll be voting Democrat but I still wouldn't trust either of them to drive a car I'm in let alone run the country.

It's so stupid that there are "undecided" latino voters at this point. As if it wasn't enough to know that Trump was a liar when he mentioned that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists back then?

Democrats will continue to act like he's gonna coast into office by virtue of not being Trump. They will continue to ignore all warnings from their left. And they will blame the left when he loses. It's the 2016 playbook all over again.

Yeah this is reporting on the feedback from a focus group of like 20 people conducted by some Latino TV station... Not sure how representative that is of the wider electorate...

If I've learned anything over the years, it is that geriatric power vampires never willingly step down.

This is unfortunately true. We have the same shit in Germany. The Nazis are uniting while the left fight each other because one doesn't support lgbtq+ enough, the other group forgot to gender correctly, other hardliners won't go to pro-democracy protests because CDU voters are amongst them. It's pathetic. We need a strong and united front against the far right. Not this hissy bullshit.

Lol, have you seen a Republican recently?

I'm a staunch Bernie Sanders supporter. I have worked for his team.

I don't know how else to say this: Joe Biden's performance last night was a caricature of every negative stereotype the opposition throws at him.

I'm really disheartened that my fellow Democrats don't see the glaring issues from the debate. Did you watch it? This question might seem inflammatory, but I am genuinely concerned.

I desperately wanted Trump to be frustrated by having his mic muted, but I never expected Biden to become the caricature the GOP was hoping for. Unfortunately, that's what happened.

Ignoring what just happened is dangerous. It's this kind of blind dissent that got us Trump in the first place. We're in trouble. If we ignore it now and end up with Trump again, the blame will be on those who are ignoring the problem right now.