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and I can't really describe how. Their is more like a they with an r on the end.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hadn't thought about it before, but on reflection, I do too. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people do.

Exaggerated a bit for effect, it would me more or less:

There = thehr

Their = thayr

They're = thay-r

"There" is just simple and straightforward with a pure short 'e' sound and no particular stresses.

"Their" has more of a long 'a' than a short 'e' sound, and a bit of stress on the vowel sound.

"They're" also has more of a long 'a' sound and it's pronounced just a fraction longer than in "their", and there's a very slight pause between the vowel sound and the 'r'.

Huh... learn something new every day.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You described it perfectly.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I do it the exact same way, and was about to type that out myself but you said it much better. It's funny the nuance to language that exists.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I guess you're a native speaker. As a foreigner, I can only nod my head. We know.

They're/their/there are completely different words. They mean different things and they're pronounced ever so slightly different, and you'll get you hand chopped off by a centimeter ruler if you do it wrong.

"There" is clearly longer than "their".

"There" is one tone. "Their" is rising.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Seriously, you can actually hear it? Even wilder.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

It differs by region and dialect. The English speaking world has wildly different pronunciations, even within relatively close proximity.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best explanation

[–] Darthjaffacake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly I thought the distinction was just American but you're right, I think English uses slight intonation for context on nouns/verbs/prefixes but in a way we don't always write down or care about.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I never understood the confusion with which spelling to use. Just say it in your head.

[–] heretoseetitties@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should use the proper spelling. Pronunciation does not equal meaning when reading.

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh you're agreeing with me! I thought your optional point was arguing against.

[–] Haus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The most bizarre one for me is pronouncing the plural of woman as "wimmin." Can't explain it, can't work around it. It is what it is.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You're right, shit, I do too.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why is that bizarre? That's how you're supposed to pronounce it.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 7 points 1 year ago
[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if it’s conditioned by word stress. “There” is usually the object of a phrase (and therefore stressed), while “their” usually modifies a following noun that gets the stress instead.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would that be true if I'm just saying the word in my head though? I think there's a case for that since I'm probably thinking of the word in the context of a sentence (any sentence) when I say it in my head.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What about “there’s” vs “theirs”? Those would tend to have the opposite stress pattern.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think I still stress there's because it's got that missing i. I go lighter on the theirs.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

It's ther (or thehr, if that makes it easier to hear in your head) theyr and theyur

Seriously. There is a shorter word when pronounced, their has that sharp I/y sound, but cuts off right after the r. They're is pronounced with the they-are slurred like all contractions should be.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Atlantic Canada calling:

  • There: Th-air
  • Their: Thur
[–] Peepolo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a native english speaking, i tried to write the slight difference in the way i say them both (I didn't realise i said them differently until today) but I couldn't quite put it in writing so i deleted my comment 🤣

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I had a friend from australia who pronounced every vowel of a word distinctly…. so consecutive vowels like ei or ea or ou, somehow she’d enunciate them distinctly.

[–] SkaraBrae@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you pronounce "they're"?

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hint at the missing a. It's weird to notice because someone was saying how hard Cantonese is because each nuance may mean a different word. Do we have that too or is it completely different? I don't know Cantonese so I have no idea, lol.

[–] Astrealix@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who speaks Cantonese, it's more that Cantonese has six tones, rather than similar-sounding vowels. People who don't know how tonal languages work are prone to fucking it up, cuz we have relatively quite a lot amongst the more popular languages. Plus the large number of homophones cuz of the monosyllablism of Chinese languages where each syllable has its own character, you get a lot of context-dependent words. Also makes for some puns, but yeah.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think I get it, Cantonese speakers use the tonal sounds and people understand it from the tonal sounds for the most part. Whereas even though the words are completely contextual for English, no one would really know that they were changing the tone?

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

This is probably a regional thing. In Alberta I don't think I have ever heard someone say these differently.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a subtle difference for me. It's hard to describe and I am not a linguist, but it's like my mouth is a little bit tighter when I'm referring to the possessive their.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's super subtle and I wonder if linguists pick it up or it's too subtle to hear.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's a US thing? I just tried it and I pronounce them exactly the same.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know, it could be? Another person that isn't a native speaker of English said that they could hear it, but that might just be for the US.

[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think I could hear it (am native English speaker from the UK), but it's definitely not how I speak. Both words sound exactly the same when I pronounce them.