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Cuz anytime anyone calls for public housing/medical care/food supply they accuse people of advocating for slavery.

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[–] ennemi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Everyone thinks, don't be stupid. Cognitive dissonance is strong, but people who believe silly things can absolutely be intelligent, and they absolutely think.

Absolutely. Libertarians often think about the age of consent and how arbitrary it is

[–] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago
[–] ennemi@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

que toque fallacy chefs-kiss

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Libertarianism creates an anti-reality barrier in the Anglo brainpan, preventing coherent thought. Taxatiom is theft, exploitation and greed are good, me and my rifle will defeat the "tyrants" (the entire US military), I'll survive the bad times on a bucket of beans in a cabin.

[–] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll survive the bad times on a bucket of beans in a cabin.

Yeah def no leftists who think about that side-eye-1 side-eye-2

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, we have beanbunker, not cabins!

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I spent far too much time engaging with them in the past so I could explain their line of thought but it's not really worth it because everything they say is just a word game with zero relation to reality.

Wage labor is """voluntary""" because you can choose where to work, "taxation is theft" because you can't opt out of it, and everything is slavery and SV except for actual slavery and SV, which is fine ancap-good

[–] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AnCapism has so many glaring holes in it that even the Libbest Libs can gangster own them in debate. They are frankly just a meme ideology for guys who's fantasy is being a red-neck feudal lord who can sell his right to prima nocta with his serf-cousin to some guy from Canada for bitcoins.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

even the Libbest Libs can gangster own them in debate.

They literally got owned by a journalist like not even a poster pathetic

[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

geordi-no Paying taxes to build roads

geordi-yes Paying a mandatory fee to build roads

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Libertarians want to privatize all that shit so, yeah basically

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One always has to question the genuineness of that kind of criticism, it seems to just be bad faith or plain stupidity. How is working for the government any more slavery-like than working for a big company?

[–] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah it's one of those arguments that has such an obvious retort and glaring holes that I can't help but think people who make it know it's bullshit and just looking to waste their opponent's time.

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Sartre quote?

Sartre quote.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

When the government does stuff, that's socialism. And socialism is bad. So the government doing things is bad.

Q.E.D.

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe they're necessary to a degree, but not a cent should end up in someone's pockets. I fully believe that those who steal from the people should be put in prison at the very least. Probably shouldn't say what I personally would want for them

I myself haven't really even like, organized my ideals. I simply believe what my heart and mind feel is right.

actual answer I got from a libertarian friend of mine (no he's not opposed to wage theft at all)

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully believe that those who steal from the people should be put in prison at the very least.

That's a libertarian self-own and the libertarian doesn't even know it.

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

yeah I never understood why they got all guns and murdery about tax theft but wage theft by employers was totally and completely fair and he even defended it when we used to argue

[–] SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

libertarian friend of mine

🤨

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

haha not friend anymore, I posted what they did to me a few days ago

sigh...

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

help! help! thy noble Sir Libertarian! mine lord hath taken mine grain, he forces me to mason upon this house of learning! improve-society

"doth thee not live on thy lord's land, hath thee not made oaths to thine Lord? tis' godly to obey and serve he to whom you are sworn!" very-intelligent

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

It's slavery forced upon them to not be able to monopolize those things and charge ridiculous sums for the bare minimum of service, What else are you gonna do? build your own hospital?