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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 92 points 4 months ago (3 children)

For those not in the know, there was a select group of restaurant employees who used to be able to tell when some shit was going down geopolitically because all the takeout places near the White House would get this big flood of orders for the people in various US government buildings working late. It would often precede sudden big shit happenings (e.g. us invading places) that were otherwise unexpected.

Idk if they have fixed the information leakage or if it’s still that way but apparently it used to be very reliable and notable to the people working in the restaurants.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The solution is to order takeout at random intervals in random amounts.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Or just fucking offer good an cheap food to your employees in house but thats probably too expensive for the richest developing nation in the world.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would be the same issue wouldn't it? Instead of the Dominoes guy knowing something is going down it would be the Aramark, or whatever food vendor the Pentagon uses, people getting extra shipments for the additional staff.

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a bit easier to vet the contractors working at the Pentagon than it is to vet all the restaurant employees nearby.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Vetting the employees isn't really important when an observer can just watch a higher-than-usual volume of delivery trucks showing up.

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Freezers and refrigerators exist. Unmarked trucks are an option. The Pentagon has so many vehicles coming and going every day logistics could easily bring in 10x the normal amount of food without any outside observer being aware.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 4 months ago

They have infinite money dude, they can just hire every single person needed for it full time. They could start their own food business and it wouldnt even be noticeable on the spendings.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well the point is more to poison the source of information with bad indicators for anyone watching.

Trying to remove the indicator is one strategy, and it might work partially, but it can also just move the problem somewhere else. To use your example, serving the food in house shifts the problem from takeout delivery to food delivery to the in-house kitchen.

Of course the best strategy would probably be to do both - increase the availability (and quality) of in-house food to encourage its regular use, and also order takeout in large-ish volumes sometimes when nothing is going on.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There’s a (likely apocryphal) story about a country tracking subjects inside the pentagon, and being completely convinced that one building near the center was absolutely the most important in the complex. Every single head of staff, general, admiral, etc would visit the building for 10-20 minutes at a time, so it must be some major communication hub. They devised plans to infiltrate this building, to see what was inside.

It was the coffee shop.

TIL "apocryphal"

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

The problem with the theory is a us invasion is in the moment indistinguishable from an office all-staff. Pentagon has got some corporate structure to it.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's a great read, thanks for sharing!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago

You're welcome!

[–] urda@lebowski.social 6 points 4 months ago

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pffffgf there is wayyyy better pizza near the Pentagon than Papa John's

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