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[–] Wakdem@lemmy.world 193 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The wealthy want us to fight a culture war to distract us from the class war we should be having.

[–] Detry@kbin.social 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
[–] Vyxor@kbin.social 86 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In any war the only winner is the rich. If the rich lose, then it's called a revolution instead.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemmy.world 144 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

This is part of the GOP strategy.

Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri has openly acknowledged that the GOP strategy is to make it so miserable for Democrats in red and purple states that they will move to blue states. That would, in turn, cement Republican power in the White House, Senate and thereby the Supreme Court.

[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It won't work for long, since they're making people so poor they can't afford to move.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Well their goal is to make them too poor to vote as well

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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When one group became openly hostile to multiple populations of people based on things like race and sexuality, it's no longer 'voting with your feet', it becomes 'go somewhere they're not gonna shoot my son'

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah this article was interesting, but absolutely drenched in both-sides-ism. "I wanna be able to fly a thin blue line flag" doesn't compare with "I'm LGBTQ and fleeing for my life."

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[–] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago (6 children)

“People want to live where they know their neighbors don’t want to wipe them from the face of the earth. More at 11.”

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[–] AttackBunny@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I just wish the “blue states” could stop funding the “red states” utter stupidity. It’s just more privatize gains and socialize losses for the rich.

Edit: fixed an autocorrect word to clarify what I was saying

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[–] smoll_pp_operator@vlemmy.net 60 points 1 year ago (91 children)

Conservative terrorism is out control. It breaks out specifically across racial and socioeconomic lines.

Moderates and liberals are trying to protect themselves, while conservatives are hell-bent on tearing everyone down.

My hope is that these are the death throes of the Republican party. A loud gasp for air before the party croaks and shatters.

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[–] Chadarius@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (9 children)

This is a good thing. The only way the red states will change is by getting worse and worse. They will have no doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, or corporations that will purposefully live or do their work there if they can help it. If you are a woman, a person of color, a migrant, an LGBTQ person, a child, or anything other than an old white man, the red states are no longer safe for you.

I basically refuse to go to most of those states if I can help it. Florida? You couldn't pay me to set foot in that state. I feel they same about Texas and many others.

I want conservatism to thrive. It does have a place in a healthy political system. But, my friends, the conservatives are the moderate Dems now. I don't know what else to call the Republicans, other than fascists or cult members. It is a sickness that any person in their right mind should run as fast as they can from.

The truly upsetting part about this is that there are people that are desperate to leave those fascist states, that can't for a variety of reasons outside their control. I wish things were different. This is just insanity.

[–] Bridger@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I want conservatism to thrive. It does have a place in a healthy political system.

What place is that? Conservatism at it's core is about maintaining the aristocracy/hierarchy. That's what it started as, and it's never wavered from that mission. All of the claims towards 'conserving what is good' or 'fiscal responsibility' or 'protecting individual rights' are just that: claims. They have never acted in ways that would back those claims up unless their actions also helped maintain/promote the aristocracy. The rest is just noise and propaganda designed to make their positions sound palatable.

I don't see any place for that in a healthy political system.

[–] Chadarius@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (26 children)

I disagree with you, but respectfully. Conservatism is basically just people who, for a variety of reasons (not all of them bad), generally vote for the status quo. This is human nature. Progressives are willing to push forward but also sometimes without regard to some of the consequences. Also human nature. Some people are bold and some people are timid. Having both around in a balanced way helps us all move forward with careful thought. That system is good overall.

The problem is that conservatives are really moderate democrats now. The modern Republicans are not conservatives. They are fascist cultist morons. I believe I explained myself fairly well in my first post. You might want to read the whole thing next time :)

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[–] ceeg@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The only way the red states will change is by getting worse and worse. They will have no doctors, teachers, nurses, lawyers, or corporations that will purposefully live or do their work there if they can help it. If you are a woman, a person of color, a migrant, an LGBTQ person, a child, or anything other than an old white man, the red states are no longer safe for you.

ah so if you're poor, taking care of loved ones, or otherwise unable to move, then your life is acceptable collateral damage? accelerationism has victims.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Florida Republicans are working reeaally hard to kill their state's entire economy right now. Attacking Disney (the state's biggest employer) and undocumented immigrants (the backbone of the state's agricultural industry and a key part of the labor force for various others such as construction and hospitality), driving away teachers by taking away their right to actually teach, etc.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly disagree. We need to wake up to a more refined political system. A two party system will not sustain a future. We are in a lull due to the previous 6 years being a total shit show.

However, a healthy political system represents the constituents. Our system represents the representatives. Europe has the right idea and has been doing it a lot longer. Having 12 candidates elected on merit makes the country more productive and satisfied with their choice.

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[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This cannot be good for the stability of the nation.

[–] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I heard it put something like this once:

We used to all live around each other, and on the weekends we’d go to the bowling alley and have to listen to each other. It didn’t matter if I agreed with who was talkin, and it didn’t matter if they agreed with me. We talked. We argued. And then we bowled and had fun.

Today, we talk, we argue, and, after the “fuck off”, we get angrier at each other.

[–] MilkToastGhost@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anecdotes are fun, but the reality is this:

State are taking action to eliminate abortion, severely restrict voting rights, alter the state constitution (like in my home state ohio), and gut programs that support poor individuals while giving tax breaks and incentives to the rich.

Outside of the way your neighbors view politics, when your state says "your worthless get out, were looking for someone else" does that really make you want to stay? Is political tension in this country a factor for the comfort that makes people choose a home? Yes. That doesn't mean that where you live in today's day and age significantly defines your rights as a human being.

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[–] TerabyteRex@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This isn't true. There was always hate but with social media bad people find more bad people. Hell, when the first issue of captain America came out, it had a picture of Cap punching Hitler. They received death threats, not just on the phone but in the street.
The main difference in my childhood was that I never heard from people of hate because i grew up in a very liberal area. There wasn't a good way for them to organize.

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[–] Mdotaut801@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The rich already won the class war that we should have been paying attention to. Instead, we’re bickering about Bud Light and Disney, exactly where they want us poors while they take our money.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Slight correction: WE'RE not bickering about Bud Light and Disney, only the right is. Centrists and leftists couldnt give less of a shit. Only one side is having a little removed fit about them.

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are flying Trump flags in every state, and this dumb fuck is afraid of flying his blue line bullshit. That's not a news article, it's astroturfed crap that AP should be ashamed to publish.

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[–] darthfabulous42069@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a very alarming sign. Polarization of that caliber means we're on a hard Stage 6 on the Ten Stages of Genocide, and everything that follows it is... bad. Very, very bad. You do not want to see what happens at Stage 7 and beyond.

[–] zombuey@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hate to add to this but we have more recently learned that after the fall of the weimar republic the first target was the trans community. The arguments being made today and the actions being taken are arguments against that communities right to exist. Their have already been shootings based purely on the political leanings of the victim even neighbors shooting neighbors.

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[–] Marcy_Stella@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

TBF considering red states want to make my existence illegal and send me to jail for being me(Trans) it does make sense for me to go to a place where I'm not threatened. Pennsylvania is more of a purple state but at least I know they aren't going to turn on me for some political points.

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[–] bucnaked@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Oklahoma here and am ready to get the fuck out

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbh, I prefer to live in a purple state.

I am in a battleground state, in a pretty rural area, filled with a decent amount diversity, including trump crazies.

I feel I'm doing more good here than living in the city.

I like to get down and dirty, pushing.

(Tbf I am a straight white male, so I can totally see getting out of dodge if that wasn't the case)

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[–] tiny_tina_@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago

No shit. NEVER living in a red state

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I could relocate to a state where my views aren't swamped by the overwhelming redness of the state, I would in an instant, but sadly it's not in the cards until retirement.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Important data to understand, there are fewer blue states than red states. These actions allow for Republicans to gain far more power in Government as the states elect the President and Congress. Democrats are essentially giving Republicans full control of the Federal Government which will be used to erode all progressive laws in blue states.

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[–] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I have a fantasy where DeSantis and his supporters cause Florida to secede, then all the most die-hard evangelicals, fascists and chuds, the worst the republicans have to offer, all flock there to protect their glorious revolution. Then the rest of us can just wall it off and have healthcare, sane governance, green energy, adult discourse, and all the stuff we're prevented from having because republicans refuse to support anything unless it allows them to be cruel to someone.

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You can't have a fantasy of Florida leaving without also having Texas leave as well.

You could literally solve pretty much all of America's problems in one fell swoop by eliminating those 2 states.

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