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I'm so sick and tired of libs demanding that students juggle scholarship applications, working, studying, and fucking starving in order to get through college.

Y'know what? I don't think students should have to fucking work during school and it is fcked up that we've normalized grinding people into dust in order to achieve an education.

Oh, and fuck you if you have a learning disability and can't do both school and work. Guess it's poverty for you, buddy.

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[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hell, one of my buddies worked full time at Home Depot selling appliances and nearly paid for full time college cash every semester. (May have had a sports scholarship)

Enhance!

nearly paid for full time college cash every semester. (May have had a sports scholarship)

Enhance!

(May have had a sports scholarship)

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Also doubt because there is not enough time in a day for a full practice and workout in the early morning, three to five hours of class, eight hours of wage labor, and still enough time to study, complete assignments, feed yourself and wash your ass and still wake up in time to do it the next day.

So either they're lying, or this person went to college part time and graduated in 6+ years, or they worked full time for three months out of the year and part time the rest, or they just didn't learn anything and picked a major that allowed them to graduate without doing virtually any work. What a rosy outlook for the public education system!!

Edit: or they ordered doordash/Uber eats every day on Dad's credit card, in which case thanks for subsidizing my education as well

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I worked a full time job, a part time job, and did college at the same time.

My 4 year degree took significantly more than 4 years and wrecked my health because of stress and sleep deprivation.

If I was a hustlegrinding asshole I'd demand other people do that, but no, I'd rather they don't, except maybe as a punishment for hustlegrinding assholes after the revolution. gulag

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They even say that he had a "useless degree" which means that he would have been better off just not going to college in the first place.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

They can't help telling on themselves because so many of them actually believe as the Main Character that their heroic tale of rags to riches needs all the fine details like the small loan of a million dollars morshupls

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[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So, if we are expected to jump through all these hoops boomers never had to, especially white boomers. They're the weak men that have created the hard times?

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

geordi-no College students should be malnourished and work 14 hours a day

geordi-yes College students should be paid for going to college since it's job training

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I appreciate the sentiment but I don't think college should be thought of as job training. College is for mental enrichment.

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[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A 'little effort' here is working a full time job while also taking 12-15 units?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I did exactly that: I had a full time job, a part time job, and 12-15 units a semester because that was the only way for the former to pay for the latter as well as my living expenses.

And it wrecked my health for years.

I would not wish the same on anyone, except maybe in a gulag way for bootlickers pretending it's a sustainable and reasonable expectation for students to go through.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

grillman: "But bro...it's hard mode bro. Doncha feel tough, bro!? In exchange, you're gonna get bragging rights bro, those sissies in Europe will sure feel stupid when they see how tough you are bro."

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The belief that "I suffered, therefore everyone should suffer as least as much as I did" is so fucking alien to me. I don't wish what I went through on strangers, let alone anyone I know and care about. I'd wish a special focused version of my toil experience on smug hustlegrind chuds, but even then at a measured "shut the fuck up" level at best.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I suffered, therefore everyone should suffer as least as much as I did.

"Kids these days have it easy" is the same vibe. I should fucking hope they have it easier than we did, isn't that the whole point of civilization or whatever? It's such an odd thing to be mad about. It's also not true, but that's something else.
Record-high depression rates, but yeah sure it's because they're "soft" or whatever.

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[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were you like a parking attendant doing schoolwork on the clock?

Were you abusing stimulants?

I worked 1 full time job and a full load and was always working and doing the wolf-sleep thing.

How did you manage?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I worked retail in two places within walking distance of each other.

I did a lot of caffeine, yeah, and experienced side effects up to and including very uncomfortable chest pain and tremors. I also had insomnia to the point of hallucinations, cold sweats, and some kidney problems that were later resolved before they became more permanent.

I didn't manage all that well. My emotional health was terrible, too. The one mental trick that kept me going was believing, alternating from one belief to another, that work was a break from school and school was a break from work. agony-minion

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The one mental trick that kept me going was believing, alternating from one belief to another, that work was a break from school and school was a break from work.

A lesson in how doublethink is so prevalent as a coping strategy, I guess

I hope you've recovered at least physically from all that

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I'm in much better health now. I'm not getting any younger, but my 20s had so much stress that in a lot of ways I feel better now than I did then, in my 40s. sweat

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[–] thisonethatone@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Yes, and applying for scholarships and grants.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

working full time while going to school full time is a high effort way to squeeze out on a lot of enriching opportunities that only exist through school: student organization/activism, extracurricular research, scholarship competitions, conferencing, independent study/overseas studies, etc. it's one thing to work while in school to keep a roof over your head and food in your belly, but it's something else to do it to avoid loans. i know loans are predatory and shitty, but they can't repossess your knowledge, experience, social capital, and connections.

guarantee the guy who "worked full time at home depot" and "may have had a sports scholarship" to graduate debt free with a "useless degree" absolutely compounded the uselessness of his education by focusing only on the credential. i mean, jesus, at least get a campus gig.

[–] Deadend@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those social opportunities are better at getting set later in life than the degree.

Networking is more powerful than a resume. Yeah it’s basically a form of nepotism. Being in a frat in college is likely to give a better outcome than working full time to graduate without debt.

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[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Don't want college students having free time to organize against things like war, gotta crush em.

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah like, these days your degree is only "worth" something on the job market if you've got the internship/job/research experience to complement it. Ignoring that necessity so you can work more hours and act all smug when you graduate debt-free is akin to tying your shoelaces together at the start of a ten mile hike. Good way to ensure that your "useless degree" is indeed economically useless to yourself.

Edit: by lib logic anyway, hope that's clear

[–] Mehrunes_Laser@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This just in: A man who survived swimming across a dangerous river is now mad that they want to build a bridge.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I survived cancer, so by god I am going to lobby against any cure for it because fuck you"

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[–] rubpoll@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

A man who survived by crawling over the bodies of those who didn't make it.

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[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And then in the next breath they'll complain about how when they were kids they were so wild, they partied and had fun, not like todays kids. And then, breath after that, they explain how any rule breaking should be the death penalty for children.

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah. I think one of the most depressing parts of my education was a professor (who went to the same university) telling me how different the student experience was 40 years ago. He told stories about storming each other's dorms, off-milk water balloon fights, breaking into the canteen kitchens to cook after nights out, operating all sorts of delicate science equiptment extremely drunk, etc etc etc. The sort of college shenanigans you see in films and assume are made up. Then he asked what the equivalent is for my friends. I had to explain that we studied ourselves into ill health and went into crunch for weeks for the sake of getting top grades, then tried to sleep or distract ourselves with videogames. Maybe go to a bar occasionally. It really illustrated that massive parts of my life aren't normal and shouldn't be normal.

Apparently this anxiety and constant demands of perfection are new. Its a generational thing. Its not normal to have never failed anything and be fucking paralyzingly terrified of ever doing so. He was so upset at how lame and depressing modern kids are, that the spirit of the university is apparently gone, but at least he had the decency to be upset at the culture rather than us. I wonder what it felt like before, if kids were freer?

[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

storming each other's dorms, off-milk water balloon fights, breaking into the canteen kitchens to cook after nights out, operating all sorts of delicate science equiptment extremely drunk, etc etc etc

You get expelled for that stuff now! They actually punish you for it so you cant do any of that stuff anymore even if you had the free time!

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

And then in the next breath they'll complain about how when they were kids they were so wild, they partied and had fun, not like todays kids. And then, breath after that, they explain how any rule breaking should be the death penalty for children.

Massive grillman tier hypocrisy.

[–] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got "back in my day'd" by my lead at work who makes at minimum 2 grand more than me, but with the pay scale, he should be making significantly more, and we're both part of a union that's been fighting for a better pay scale for new employees for a while because it's no longer sustainable.

We're supposed to be on the same team, wtf, you're licking the wrong boots.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder what they spray on the boot leather cause it must taste good

[–] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a person who enjoys literally licking leather boots, I was taught to just use a small lather of gentle leather conditioner and a bit of water. You can polish them too, and that you'll wanna be careful with polish, find something that is edible and non-toxic. Boot blacking and leather care is a whole thing, and it's super hot if you're into that.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not only does he have a useless degree, hes also bad at it because he didnt spend enough time studying it (bcos work el oh el) and made zero connections!! Worth it! Look at that slave ethic

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[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So you're homeless and starving huh? Why didn't you of just think of putting in a little effort? very-intelligent

Every person with this attitude was born with a silver spoon in their mouth or otherwise given all their wealth by knowing rich people. 99% of people who work devastatingly hard end up even poorer, me and many of my family members have chronic mental and/or physical conditions as a result of working too hard, and now we're still piss fucking poor as well as in pain and traumatised.

[–] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

maybe-later-kiddo : I understand you're struggling, but you could always [anecdote that is a lie]

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, and fuck you if you have a learning disability and can't do both school and work. Guess it's poverty for you, buddy.

Yeah I was gonna say it's ableist af. Got ADHD and really struggle to keep up with and coordinate all those things? Dyslexia, so you need at least twice the amount of time to do the reading and writing? Autism, so the college environment is often overstimulating and lacking in accommodations? Well I guess the plan is for those people to go fuck themselves, but at least be honest that that is the plan.

[–] thisonethatone@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah have OCD and I can't work more than 10 hours a week on top of studies. I tried and I had a massive meltdown. I ended up having to take out loans because not doing so wasn't an option for me.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I felt a deep crawling sense of dread when "multitasking" became a faddish buzzword in the 90s and everyone was expected to do multiple things (poorly, as it turns out).

[–] ewichuu@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

one of my close ones has literally zero free time because he has to keep up good grades on a high level cybersecurity degree but they also have to work basicalyl fulltime if they want to repay their debt quickly and not be crippled with it for life

on top of that, he ALSO has to buy the books, and on top of that this semester doesn't even have classes, just assigned homework from emails

how much greedier can they get? why should we crush ourselves so much just to be educated in life?

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

no more half measures walter

[–] pastalicious@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I paid off my loans working three shitty part time jobs and it didn’t make me mad at the thought of loan forgiveness it just made me hate capitalism.

Why should I want anyone else to have their time and energy sapped away pointlessly???

[–] SweaterWeather@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

If you don’t want to be in student debt maybe you should consider working 30 hours a day. Dumb kids.

[–] forcequit@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

entrepreneurship is when you die on the altar

[–] angelsomething@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This guys thinks poverty is a choice. What a cunt.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America in particular has ingrained into its people this insidious notion that poverty is voluntary. Those people who need food stamps? Bums, all of them, they just don't care enough to get better paying jobs.

Circumstances such as the socioeconomic status you were raised in, physical/mental health, your ethnicity are completely irrelevant (hell, sometimes ethnicity is used as a means of insisting that is why someone is 'lazy', rather then reflecting on how a person's race impacts the entire manner in which society interacts with them)

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I couldn't pick up many words there. Just the sound of slurping around footwear. bootlicker

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