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[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hope Framework takes note and is working on their own ARM laptop.

[–] nameisnotimportant@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Seconded, also bring those laptops to more countries than those who're available now.

[–] colourlesspony@pawb.social 24 points 5 months ago

I'm very interested in these.

[–] winety@lemmy.zip 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I hope that when my current laptop dies, a somewhat libre and linux-friendly alternative with an ARM chipset will be on the market.

[–] schmurian@lsmu.schmurian.xyz 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mine already died. Now i have to wait...

[–] Twig@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago

A Thinkpad will have to do

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You mean Libre ARM or Libre-friendly ARM?

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I was thinking RISCV. There's no thing such as libre ARM. Unless he was talking about Libre-friendly which could mean a proprietary SOC company submitting driver code to the kernel.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I really wonder if they got any better, I had such a bad time with my tuxodo computer, had to send it for repair twice and replaced it with a used ThinkPad after less than a year.

[–] winety@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What kind of problems did you have?

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's like 8 years ago or so, I had the InfinityBook with a skylake processor.

Bluetooth stopped working, send it in then it worked and stopped again, then send it in and it worked and stopped again.

The microphone had broken noises, tested it even under windows to be sure it's a hardware problem.

Discoloration where the hands are left and right of the trackpad.

Plastic bezel around the screen fell off, the tape was bad quality.

Ah I wrote it down last year here:

https://tube.jeena.net/w/wJGQBMj2wDCJRwBH4bYPiz;threadId=14965

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

I’ve only heard good things about them so I’m interested to know too.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

I've mostly been very satisfied with my InfinityBook 14 Gen7 that I got about 1.5 years ago. There have been some hardware issues (something wrong with the audio subboard that causes the sound from the speakers to go out once in a while, but they sent a new one that I haven't installed yet...). The mic is also not very good (some background noise), and the speakers when they work (which is most of the time) are also quite weak. I decided to spec it out as much as possible, and it does get hot under high loads, like gaming. The case is sleek, but perhaps a little flimsy?

But mostly it works perfectly fine, and it is such a great upgrade over my old MacBook that I finally get to do stuff on my computer now, and run into very few limitations (running newer games and other GPU-intensive tasks requiring more than 4 GB VRAM are the only things). Not to mention that I've had very good experience with their customer service when I n00b out and can't troubleshoot my way back.

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Will they feature an UEFI?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 11 points 5 months ago

There has been lots of reporting the X Elite will use UEFI.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] shadowtofu@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 5 months ago (23 children)

Without UEFI, the boot process is different for each device, requires a custom boot loader, or at least explicit support by the operating system. Is your laptop going to be supported by the distribution you want to use? What about in 5 or 10 years? With UEFI, the boot process is standardized, so it should just work.

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[–] mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Man. I bought Lenovo ARM. I wanted to buy a tuxedo so badly. Now I'm stuck with this thinkpad.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What’s the experience so far?

[–] mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago

It is bearable but feature complete. Every month linaro and the community add functionality. The most recent things include a custom power-domain mapper implementation and apparently camera support.

If you are running wayland you can simply install any os and its working oob.

The laptops weight and heat production is awesome. Very practical. Also the body is exceptional sturdy and worth mentioning (even in comparsion to a T14, e.g.).

But:

  • external monitors are not detected at boot
  • no hibernation
  • battery time is very depended on the task. It ranges from 4 to 13 hours.
  • no virtualization support, so one is stuck with tiny code generator runtime when using kvm
  • audio is pretty quiet, so depending on the environment an external source is required.

I followed almost all patches on the lkml. It appears to me that the upcoming chip can benefit from the sc8280xp hugely. It sufficies for my use cases but I promised myself a little better, yet.

[–] PreciousPig@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

When will we see fanless models? That is one of the defining features of the M1 Air.

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I like silent laptops but sometimes I want to max out the power budget and get work done without worrying about thermal throttling. Having a fan and customizable power settings gives users a choice. Apple takes that choice away.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Installing a fan negatively impacts the passive cooling ability (at the absolute least by taking space that could be occupied by a bigger radiator and by obstructing the airflow), so it's always a tradeoff.

Apple wanted to make it passively cooled, and it wouldn't be possible at decent loads if a fan would be installed alongside passive cooler.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have a 2021 Asus Zephyrus G14 unless I run a game, that thing is running without active cooling. Seems like a solved problem.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Solved for larger laptops.

Macbooks are significantly slimmer, and have way less internal space that could be used to make a combined cooling system that would be passive most of the time.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

The G14 is 14 inch and has a dedicated GPU, so without one the cooling requirements are far less.

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[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I see it more of a limitation, you don’t want your laptop to warm (and it shouldn’t in light use), but you want to cool it for the few times it does.

[–] aarrjaay@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And they thermally throttle due to the heat.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not necessarily. I own a passively cooled x86 laptop that runs just fine without throttling - granted, it's based on Celeron series CPU, but when we talk of ARM laptops, we normally don't talk powerful machines - Macs are rather an exception.

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