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Governments hate what they cannot control (lemmy.ml)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by makeasnek@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 51 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What are they gonna do? Shut down the central lemmy server?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 41 points 5 months ago

They gonna ask John Lemmy to shut it down.

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Oh no! not the central lemmy server!

[+] makeasnek@lemmy.ml -17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They'll start by saying lemmy is spreading "disinformation" or "foreign influence" or "harming children" or whatever their excuse of the day is. Then legislate lemmy apps out of the app stores and go after lemmy server operators or users.

Not saying lemmy couldn't survive as a network, the point of the meme is the dangerous precedent set when people support things like a TikTok ban and say the government should be able to regulate speech or access to speech in that manner. The government shouldn't be able to tell you what you can say or think, who you share those thoughts with, or what media you consume. It's a human right to think and speak and be able to listen to others speak. And unfortunately, for different reasons, both the left and right are cheering on its erosion.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 25 points 5 months ago

WikiLeaks was a centralized platform.

Lavabit was a centralized platform.

Tiktok is a centralized platform.

Centralized platforms are proprietary, brittle, easily targeted. When they are taken down, they stay down.

Lemmy is, effectively, a protocol, not a platform. Anyone can host an instance, and they all talk to each other by default. Any of the big instances get knocked down, and they get replaced by a dozen others. An instance may die, but so long as someone wants to put up another, Lemmy remains.

Bitcoin is not a centralized platform. Tor is not a centralized platform. Government has had little success targeting these protocols.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The difference between the services in the image and Lemmy is ...

THIS would be Lemmy:

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

More like the fediverse.

[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 months ago

Has there been threats or suggestions of a government blocking Lemmy, or is this just pessimistic anticipation?

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I like Lemmy but there’s like a few dozen of us. We’re politically less relevant than mumsnet.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Maybe he means the fediverse as a whole. BTW, wikileaks is still online.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I heard that Lemmy was recently seen with the hacker 4chan!

[–] MaSHiNiK@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I personally don't mind if tiktok gonna be blocked/closed

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Look, I get it, I wouldn't give a shit if TikTok imploded tomorrow and went out of business. I don't use it. Actually, I would cheer on TikTok's implosion. It's a cesspool. However:

"First they came for the xxx and I didn't care because I didn't use or like xxx"...."and then they came for me or the thing I liked or used there was nobody left to defend me"

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

First, they came for the obviously government-funded data harvesting program, and I said nothing, because I think that's a good thing actually.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

They can come for tiktok because its a propaganda tool that harvests sensitive data en masse.

I just wish they'd go after FB, IG, Twitter, etc as well for doing the EXACT SAME THINGS that theyre claiming tiktok is doing.

The only issue with tiktok is China getting the info, not that the company harvests data and spreads propaganda.

[–] MaSHiNiK@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I knew I shouldn't have said anything, because I would have become everyone's enemy. Please don't generalize my words, because I have this opinion only about tiktok only.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Honestly, i totally agreed with you on TikTok.

[–] Codemancer@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

More like e2e encryption in general.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"Government hates what it can't control"

tiktok

Lol. Look it sure was authoritarian the specific method used to ban tik tok. But you're complaining about an authoritarian slap fight.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait, what happened now? Do they want to ban Lemmy?

[–] SsxChaos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah don't worry they can't.. why? Because all internet is web2 when Lemmy is web3 meaning it's owned by no one therefore there isn't a specific site that they can simply ban.. the architecture of Lemmy is different from reddit and others because Lemmy are multiple instances owned by random people online that gather all in a what's called an activity hub so in conclusion there isn't a specific site That they can apply the ban on and we're basically immune as long as no cp or such exists anywhere in the fediverse otherwise all governments would attack all instances and then it would become harder to rebuild the fediverse with all instances scattered without governments interferences against it, so as long as we are legal there's no way for the government to apply any kind of bans on us don't worry ^-^

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

lol this place is nothing but libs, i mean u see blue maga people everywhere, im sure they are very confident that this community reinforces the ameriKKKan genocide machine not opposes it.

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know there are more countries than the USA.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

this is a meme about amerikkka banning website because they expose amarican backed or committed warcrimes and genocides, what the fuck are u talking about.