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Thousands of children could die after court backs campaign group over GM crop in Philippines, scientists warn

Scientists have warned that a court decision to block the growing of the genetically modified (GM) crop Golden Rice in the Philippines could have catastrophic consequences. Tens of thousands of children could die in the wake of the ruling, they argue.

The Philippines had become the first country – in 2021 – to approve the commercial cultivation of Golden Rice, which was developed to combat vitamin A deficiency, a major cause of disability and death among children in many parts of the world.

But campaigns by Greenpeace and local farmers last month persuaded the country’s court of appeal to overturn that approval and to revoke this. The groups had argued that Golden Rice had not been shown to be safe and the claim was backed by the court, a decision that was hailed as “a monumental win” by Greenpeace.

Many scientists, however, say there is no evidence that Golden Rice is in any way dangerous. More to the point, they argue that it is a lifesaver.

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 94 points 5 months ago (8 children)

They've been doing that for two decades. Golden rice could have saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives by now. Especially the later versions we're on now. Hopefully it doesn't violate the self-promotion rules for me to link an article I wrote a long, long time ago on Golden Rice 3.0 and its improved benefits.

I haven't kept up with the project since, I wouldn't be surprised if we're on 4.0 or beyond by now, the scientists involved have been working tirelessly for years to make the rice even better and more beneficial for the people who need it.

And anti-science idiots like Greenpeace have been fighting them every step of the way.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 62 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm a large proponent of conversation and environmentalism. Hell, I sit on a land trust board, and have a very strong technical background in checks notes environmental science.

The thing I keep rolling my eyes at with Greenpeace is their seemingly complete lack of regard for science, like you point out. How can anyone take these guys seriously when most of what they do are stunts.

I doubt anyone would listen even if they did have the technical expertise they need, because support for environmental issues is paltry to begin with. However, it would give them a leg to stand on.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thing is, these guys have a very narrow view on "environment", but the conflict here is emblematic of basically everything regarding protection of nature.

Greenpeace is under the (not completely unfounded) impression, that every new technology is a wedge to slowly push the world towards doom. Just one more lane. Just one more gene changed. And so on. They are completely uncompromising, which is understandable to a certain degree.

However, the result is that perfect is the enemy of the good. Here in Germany we have conflicts between people who want to save the planet by installing wind turbines and people who want to save the local fauna by not installing wind turbines. The latter do have a point if you're very myopic, but they don't (want to) see that their actions will likely kill the entire species, not just a few individuals.

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[–] hash0772@sh.itjust.works 74 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Why would anybody, especially a global campaigning network, get their noses up in shit they don't have a fucking clue about, and then double down after people who understand that shit go against them. What the fuck, Greenpeace?

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 35 points 5 months ago (32 children)

They've actually been doing this sort of thing for a while now. They decided rather than pro-environmentalism, they'd rather just be anti-science in general. It's the same with them protesting any use of nuclear anywhere for any reason.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 67 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

The right way to do it would be to outcross Golden Rice with local strains to transfer the beta carotene gene while preserving other traits that are already adapted to the local ecosystem, thereby maintaining biodiversity and allowing the rice to continue to coevolve with other local organisms. But that would threaten ~~Monsanto’s~~ corporate patents.

[–] BigDickEnergy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 5 months ago

Introgresion of the beta carotene-giving T-DNA locus into local varieties would take a decade before we can obtain a cultivar that resembles local varieties, and this is only if said local varieties are highly homozygous. If they are not, what you are suggesting is simply not possible with 2024 technology and I don't see it becoming possible soon. Such a delay would mean large numbers of children dying and many more suffering. The Monsanto boogeyman's profit desires are not relevant, unless you'd like to give them some credit for making the damn thing, and I'm not even sure they were involved? A company called Syngenta made Golden Rice 2, maybe you're referring to that?

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

that would threaten Monsanto’s patents

Its the other cancer peddling shitheel this time. Syngenta owns the patent, making it completely justified for Greenpeace to prevent them from gaining control of the food supply, even if they have to use BS arguments about food safety to do so.

[–] Ozymandias1688@feddit.de 21 points 5 months ago

Who's talking about Monsanto?

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 61 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The argument against Golden Rice should have nothing to do with GMO and everything to do with monocultures.

Greenpeace is fucked in the head.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 months ago (34 children)

That's not their argument though. Their argument is that despite the benevolent sub-$10k payment free licence, at the end of the day it's still a product that the independent farmers are beholden to. That, plus rice is windpollinating. So it's very easy for it to cross pollinate adjecent fields and potentially outperform heirloom species against the farmers' will.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 57 points 5 months ago (8 children)

golden rice had not been shown to be safe

Has regular rice? What about standing in the sun has that been shown to be safe? Has breathing?

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

This was the same reaction I had when the Covid vaccines were rolling out. "They haven't been proven to be 100% safe and effective!" OK. Sure, but you know what is guaranteed to be bad for you? Covid. There are two choices here, and there's a clear mitigation of harm with one option over the other.

It's shocking that we'd rather see children die of treatable vitamin deficiencies than the off-chance that the food 'might be unsafe'.

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[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Breathing has a 100% death rate.

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[–] efstajas@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

I'm so fucking concerned about climate change... But I can't vote Green because of their stupid, anti-scientific stances on two issues: GMOs and nuclear power. For context, I'm in Germany, where there's very public hysteria about both. The general public still holds absurdly distorted and misinformed views, so none of the green-aligned parties are ballsy enough to hold positions on them that are in any way nuanced. It's super frustrating.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Both GMOs and nuclear can be used to mitigate climate change too... :(

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (11 children)

The anti-science crowd ranks up another victory.

They have pretty successful killing nuclear power, secularism, vaccines, modern birth procedures, nitrogen fixation, and now GMOs. I guess AI is next.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I guess AI is next.

We can hope.

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 40 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Greenpeace have genetic purity fanatics?

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[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is fucking tragic. Golden rice hasn't been proven safe? It's fucking rice with a spliced gene to produce vitamin A. This is a life saver plain and simple. Monsanto is fucked for a whole host of reasons, but golden rice is not it. There has been study after study on it just to fucking prove that it's beta-carotene survived cooking.

When Greenpeace started opposing GMOs that could be patented, I was on board, but they just attack any GMO now.

[–] ThanksForAllTheFish@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The GMO gene in Golden Rice is patented. It's just licensed for use for free in developing countries on small hold farms. A monoculture of golden rice would be less diverse than the current wide range of heritage rice varieties, and there could be over reliance on it which could case issues if there was a blight. Theres some concern that spread of the genes could catch unaware farmers with legal issues, but it's harder for rice genes to spread than most other crops, as they're usually self-pollinating. The risks dont seem to outweigh the benefits in this case, but it is more complex than it appears on the surface level. Greenpeace doesn't seem to be able to use scientific research to back its claims here, and is instead just staying true to it's anti-GMO message.

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[–] barryamelton@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago

The idea is to extinguish the other variants, get into a monoculture, and in the future have them completely at Monsanto's will. This product is patented. There's no need for patented grains here. They can be helped through many other means and produces.

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[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Nah, they're right. It will give American Biotech corps a strangle hold over seeds. The world grows more than enough food for everyone. Scarcity is not why people go hungry.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What American biotech crops? Golden rice was developed by a group of university researchers in Switzerland and have been distributing the rice for free via NGOs.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

NGOs have looooong history of working for western capital interests to the detriment of the global south. See how they fooled low income women into using baby formula and getting thousands of babies killed first through contaminated water used to mix the formula then through starvation after they cut off the supply after women's breasts had gone dry.

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[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago (7 children)

This isn't about scarcity, it's about addressing Vitamin A deficiency.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

When your ideals are in direct opposition to the well being of people its time to rethink your ideals, not double down on them

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[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

full take: this is a complex topic involving sociology, agricultural science, economics, culture, ethics, and more and deserves serious discourse

meme take: THAT RICE IS PRETTY I WANT IT

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Any plant or animal that has been domesticated has been genetically modified.

[–] Terces@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Their concern is not solely based on the gene modification. The impact of introducing a new crop is bigger than that. The golden rice is patented and that often comes with a ton of regulations the local farmers have no control over.

While I wish for there to be a good way to solve the food problem AND find a good use for gene modification, I don't think that this particular instance is it....

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

This. Read an article a while back about American farmers getting sued because there was GM crop growing in their fields when they didn’t plant it. It had cross pollinated from neighboring farms. Being able to sue over patented GM crops is just a bad idea.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The huge difference is who holds the patent. The example you gave involves Monsanto, the patent holder for several GMO crops, and a terrible company that does everything in its power to make money by exploiting people. Golden Rice, however, is patented by the scientists who designed it, who likely only patented it so that a company like Monsanto couldn't just make some similar GMO and patent it instead, using it to exploit people even more.

This same thing happened back when genes themselves were able to be patented; some companies like Myriad Genetics would patent genes like the BRCA gene, a common source of inherited breast cancer predisposition, so that they could charge an arm and a leg for testing. So, researchers and non-profits would patent genes that they found just ensure they could be fairly studied and tested for.

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[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (23 children)

Being against GMOs is like wanting to ban electric cars because Elon Musk is a dickhead.

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