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I know Canadian libraries operate similarly, but I mean more so like in Europe. Are they as big there as they are here? And do they require fees to join, or are paid via taxes like here as well?

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[–] alex@jlai.lu 13 points 1 year ago

In France I believe they're government employees. They're paid via taxes in big and medium cities, so free to sign up there. I find them huge, for instance my 300k person city has 8 or 9 libraries on the same municipal network so that everyone is less than 10min away from one by bus or bike. Some are general, other are themed, for instance the music and dance school library is arts themed, there's a children's literature library, and a local history one - but you'll find children's books, arts and local history in all of them.

As a kid in the early 2000s in my village we had to pay 5€/year for books and 10€ if we wanted books, music, movies and video games. In all the cities I've lived in outside of this smallish one (8k inhabitants) it was free. They never really expect you to pay late fees either, you just can't get new books until you've given back the previous ones.

[–] superkret@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Germany: They're in almost every city and even many smaller towns.
You pay a regular membership fee (in my town 20€ per year) which covers about 10% of the costs for the library, the remaining 90% are financed by taxes.
For that you get access to a vast online catalog, and you can borrow books for 4 weeks for free.
DVDs and games cost another 1€ for each item.
If you return your items late, you have to pay another fee.

[–] GregoryTheGreat@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And do you folks over there like banning books as much as the US silly states do?

[–] alex@jlai.lu 9 points 1 year ago

I have never heard of banning books in public libraries in France. I don't think a single French library has Mein Kampf or the like though, except for the Bibliothèque Nationale de France which has one version of every book that's published by a French house.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 6 points 1 year ago

I think it depends on the country. I'd assume most of western Europe doesn't.

[–] _MusicJunkie@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The only instance I could find of books being banned since WW2 is a list of Nazi propaganda that libraries were instructed to discard in 1946.

[–] PseudoMon@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago

We got public libraries in major cities, but only if you're lucky. If the library is well-maintained, well-stocked, and generally a good place to be? You either live in the capital (which has one public library of note), or REALLY lucky. Otherwise, it's probably musty and understaffed.

Otherwise, uhh, schools and universities have libraries. They can be decent, but only accessible if you're a student there. There are a few privately-owned library/cafe thing in major cities, and I've heard of philanthropists making small libraries in smaller towns. That's pretty much it.

Reading is just not a national past time here, and the government sure isn't trying to make it one.

[–] _MusicJunkie@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I only know about Vienna, haven't been to a library in another city.

Public libraries are run and owned by a city department. Financed mostly by taxes but there is a 35€ or so yearly fee for adults.

There is one giant "main library" (400.000 books/media according to Wikipedia) which also has facilities for learning, for consuming media and so on. And many (40 or so) smaller branch libraries ranging from basically a room in a public housing building to a small local library. As they are all part of the same network, you can order any book from any library if they don't have it locally.

Another library network is the university libraries, which are run by the national government. Access is free for students of course, everyone else pays a small fee as well. They of course are focussed on scientific media, while the public libraries offer anything from textbooks to entertainment.

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I saw a list somewhere of libraries around the world that allow non-residents to have access. In general, most libraries are restricted to local residents.

In Belgium, there are two library networks, a French network and a Dutch network. The French network gives people a gratis membership. The Dutch network charges €5/year.

I’ve not heard of any book bans, but there are notable restrictions for using the info systems. Using a PC is often limited to an 1 hour. Bulk downloading is prohibited, Tor is blocked, Invidious is blocked, some specific branches are skiddish about attaching a USB drive to printer, some won’t allow a PDF to be opened directly from a USB drive, etc.

Price of printing is getting crazy & out of touch with inflation. I think it was 5¢ per page a year ago. Now it’s 10¢ in some branches and 15¢ in others. Which is ridiculous.. inflation did not triple in the past year.