"People" vs "your own people".
Oh yeah it's that liberal thought cliche where the lives of people in other countries don't matter.
"People" vs "your own people".
Oh yeah it's that liberal thought cliche where the lives of people in other countries don't matter.
Reminds me of the liberal talking point of how Stalin murdered “his own people” while Hitler murdered “non-Germans” so Hitler is less evil. Ignoring that many Jews and Roma were German lol
Crazy what goes on in their minds.
For me it is worser when you do it to others, I can not know their internal struggle, so they ended up in a bad place and convinced it is necessary.
The people telling you communism goes against human nature also tell you it's human nature for a nation to slaughter people for land. Just normal human nature shit.
Jesus what a fucking terrible argument. I'm sure the native americans were just happy white people weren't killing other white people. "At least it's intentional," they thought as they were being driven from their land.
We fuckin tried to be diplomatic with these people and they called me a Nazi so now you all have our blessing to go forth and dunk
Fuck these fucking people.
They seem to think that being an Anarchist just means being anti-communist. To the point that they are literally parroting fascist taking points about "our people". As if Jackson killing millions of Native Americans to steal their land is somehow not as bad as mismanagement of agricultural policy during a drought/famine? Because Jackson only oppressed the other right. Because a leader's job isn't to build a better world by harnessing the labor and skills of all people, but to either exterminate the other to protect their own or liquidate nature and the proletariat for profit
Every radlib thinks they got it all figured out til an actual anarchist shows up and then they all suddenly turn into Nazis
An an ML, I want to say I genuinely feel bad that Anarchists have to deal with this bullshit. Like, I can't imagine being an Anarchist and having so many illiterate liberals claim their ideology while spewing reprehensible, absurd bullshit. Anarchists are comrades I respect and have principled disagreements with, but these guys? What the fuck.
to our anarchist comrades in the posting mines
Like clockwork. They don't want to have to question their reality. They want to sit complacently at the end of history and watch the suffering around them with glib detachment or, when scratched, vociferous participation.
There's no redeeming these groups, only hopefully some of the people in them. 196 will always be tainted because of it's absolute inability to moderate itself. Sometimes you need aggressive purging of the ranks and the stench of 196 shows exactly what happens when you don't take out the trash.
The whole "Manifest Destiny is innocent because colonialism is just human nature" is very popular with Amerikkkans. I've heard this same shit from grade school to the workplace.
They fucking love essentializing their national crimes as products of evolutionary behavior so they can pat themselves on the back for "overcoming" their "natural" urges while being flabbergasted about the oppressed for wanting accountability from the still existing regime that perpetrated it (and still is!).
The US is what would happen if Nazi Germany survived for over 200 years.
We have the same continuous government that did ALL of those things. There has NEVER been a cleaning of house.
"The native American Genocide wasn't that bad, because they weren't considered human"
Sincere post - am I doing something harmful to myself or my psyche? Am I being too insular in staying away from the mental sewer pipes of , twitter, etc in search of places where I don't see this shit? Should I desensitize myself a little to people like this? Because I tend to avoid people like this. In real life, I'm careful to only stay close with people who are, at their core, kind and loving and empathic. I also do this online.
I hate this person. I truly do, and every other sniveling, servile, cowardly, shithead like them. I don't like hating this person, and I don't like hating people at all. I'll always hate , but it's no moral crime to hate your oppressor. For this person, my hatred feels more real and visceral and it makes me uncomfortable.
A few years ago I visited White Sands National Park. To get there I had to drive through Alamogordo, a town that seems to mostly exist to service the nearby air force base. On the main tourist track that leads to the park, I passed a kind of mini strip mall set up alongside the road. It was all run-down buildings or shacks or roadside tents covered in native American symbolism with shitty names that I don't care to repeat, selling trinkets and baubles. The people working there all looked, at a glance, to be native American as well. An entire culture reduced to selling bits of "authentic Indian silver" or whatever to scratch out a living. The survivors of a genocide trying to make some money off of the bits of their culture that can be commodified. This is my first time ever discussing that sight, and it's still hard to articulate it. The feeling was so heavy, so suffocating, such a powerful sense of wrongness and injustice that it defies my limited powers of this language to communicate. An entire continent of people - dozens of cultures and languages and histories and peoples slaughtered and displaced and deposited at the edges of a new society that would prefer them gone and relegated to black-and-white photos.
So, GBU_28 is trying to handwave away what America did because Ghengis Khan did it as well. Native Americans weren't "noble savages" by any means. I'm sure they fought and inflicted cruelty and callousness on their fellow man just as all peoples have done. But we stole this place. In its entirety. This entire nation, as well as its equally savage brother-country to the north, ground up the first peoples' bones to use in the foundational concrete. Mods remove this if it's too much, but I truly hope that GBU_28 suffers in this life. I'm fully convinced that this person who I've never met and I never will should truly be subject to the worst agonies and miseries conceivable by the human mind. No physical or emotional torment could compare with what they're trying to "yada yada yada" away.
It can't be good for me.
That is just open white nationalism and genocide denial
It is interesting tho watching how desperately fascists try to appropriate our terminology despite how they wield it so incoherently
Shows the inherent weakness of their positions and politics, they have nothing except what they can take from us
its really funny how libs alternate between "im just a smol bean, tankies are such meanies" and Reinhard Heydrich depending on what they are talking about
'whataboutism' LMAO i literally havent heard an original critique from liberals for at least two years at this point
You know they're right, we should hold the definitely still existing Golden Horde accountable for the actions of Chingis Khan. I'll drive down to Ulaanbaatar and throw red paint on the giant statue right away (I would never do this the Mongolians are cool people and that statue owns.)
As a person of NATO, Andrew Jackson is allowed to order the ethnic cleansing of Indigenous peoples. People of NATO being able to steal land from Indigenous peoples is allowed because people of NATO are justifiably hierarchically over Indigenous peoples. I'm definitely an anarchist.
Ah yes, Han Chinese people colonised themselves. I am very smart.
So is 196 just /r/neoliberal2.0? Why did we erate again?
You make some good points about how Andrew Jackson killed only in defense of his own people. Reminds me of this book written by Andolfo Hütlie.
You might be interested in checking it out if you want to understand more about the necessity of the Trail of Tears in the development of America's big beautiful strip malls and suburbs.
Even if we accept the other points, a mistake is still morally superior to an intentional action. What the fuck is with this argument?
Yeah killing the sparrows was definitely a major L, but intentionally slaughtering a hundred million people in the name of manifest destiny is literally worse than what the Nazis did (who also deserve to be thrown in a pit and burned alive).
man i really hope ada comes to her senses and kicks these dudes
wont hold my breath tho
It's the dunk tank.
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