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If not, how much would you counteroffer?

(If you aren't an American, assume for this hypothetical that you were suddenly granted citizenship and all other requirements are waived.)

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[–] holland@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a seriously low amount of money for this. Most Presidents will make much more than this out of office in just speaking fees and the normal grifting and graft that happens around them. You'd be endangering your ability to make so much more money in the future if that was your goal.

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[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if i'm president, didn't i almost certainly take such a deal already?

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe you got a cabinet position for.. um idk... Secretary of Agriculture because the president knew you and decided to appoint you for some reason? And then he/she and the VP both got involved in a huge scandal or something and everyone else in the line of succession were fired by the president for snitching on him/her regarding the scandal, then you are now the next in line?

(Don't think too hard, it's a hypothetical πŸ˜‰)

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This prompt hurts my brain.

You are the President of the United States.

You are the leader of a nation. Hundreds of millions of people are depending on you.

How many tootsie rolls would it take you to sell out to a rich fuck who has that many tootsie rolls?

Fuck you. I have 4 years. We need to kick our fossil fuel addiction. People deserve privacy. Domestic terrorists need to feel fear again. The government needs to be reminded it serves the people...

Let me drive the bargaining up to 100 million, then let me shove a red hot fire poker up your ass and leave you in a dank cell to die aching.

Then let me live a decent life where I might not feel the excess of being rich, but my diner tabs are paid for, my bar tabs are covered, and I have friends who make sure my home is safe.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Soooo... that's a "no", I take it?

Even Senators are worth like fifteen times that in spite of a 200k/year salary.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You assume they’re bribed but I’ll bet it’s both death threats AND bribes.

[–] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

If I'm the president of the United States, I won't have any need for bribes because former presidents can make a ton of money by selling books, giving lectures, and things like that. A million dollars is not that difficult for a former president to make completely legally, so it will not be life-changing at all. And any amount of money that is significantly larger won't matter anyway, because once you pass the 5-10 million dollars mark, your quality of life won't change much anyway. This is why I would easily turn down even a billion dollar bribe without hesitation.

Even if I were the type of person who doesn't care for ethics and morals, accepting a bribe would be unnecessary and risky.

And for the people saying that this money can do a lot of good, the president of the US has a lot more resources to manipulate to make this bribe a drop in the bucket.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 13 points 1 year ago

Don't know if you know this, but most bribes most politicians (not the president) take are really small. Like 2k-maybe 20k to fuck over your country and the people you represent. Shit is wild, I thought it would be so much more.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

People don't become president because they want to get rich; most of them are already rich, and could make more money if they were working in the private sector. (Although being an elected national politician has great benefits, like pensions, security details, health benefits that are far better than almost anything you'd get privately, etc.) In most cases, they want power. So you're going to need to offer some kind of equivalency.

At a certain point, money becomes raw power, but it's not when it's just a million here or there, not anymore. After all. the president may not have huge amounts of money, but he has the ability to suggest that the DoJ to start investigating you.

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 9 points 1 year ago

I laugh in their face and tell them it takes waaaaaaaaaay more than that to buy me. Like at least a hundred times that.

[–] Zippythezigzag@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

If i became president then the world is already a lost cause and money is worthless.

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think you understand what the position of president can really do. If someone is bribing the president they aren't looking to get a permit or pass a law. They are looking for top classified information like military projects, CIA agents, nuclear infrastructure or nuclear activation codes. No amount of money would change my mind.

Presidents aren't typically bribed. I can only think of 1 in the last 30 years that probably accepted a bribe. That was probably to eat beans in the white house.

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm thinking of like a scenario where Congress doesn't lean either side, and a good law narrowly passed congress, and they want you to veto it. Also appoint their list of nominees for executive departments, courts. Using your position to push their propaganda, basically selling your self to be their puppet. Would you just ignore morals and get rich being a corrupt politician?

[–] MJBrune@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bribing an extra congress person is a lot cheaper and you have a lot more options. They would have bribed congress a lot more before it got to bribing the president.

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You can earn a million dollars a year being on the board of a few companies and doing some speaking engagements as a former president. They also get I believe 200k a year, for the rest of their lives. I'm not sure what amount of money it'd take to make me give up my ethics as the president but it'd definitely need to be at least double digit millions a year, probably in perpetuaty before I was even tempted.

Former presidents/politicians on general normally fall into easy money gigs for whoever they were kind to during their term(s). Goldman Sachs routinely gives six figure single event speaking fees to former and presidential hopefuls. Sometimes they don't even have to show up and give the speech... Bribery is just strait up legal in America and a lot of the time you don't even explicitly have to do anything for them. They're just happy if you don't rock the boat.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. First your going to be somewhat wealthy to begin. Secondly the pay is fairly good and third it just is not worth the headache.

I am a well of person and there is no amount of money that would interest me to do something that illegal much less immoral. Few wealthy people need to take illegal money when they can generate it legally.

I think the majority of people who would take money in this position would do it out of ego over any other motive.

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[–] olorin99@artemis.camp 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah nah, the US president makes 400k USD a year + benefits. That should be more than enough for any person.

If not, how much would you counteroffer?

If someone attempted to bribe me I would automatically assume their proposal was a bad idea.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No I would not take that. The rich life of being a 4-to-8-millionaire would not be worth the self disgust and guilt I’d feel over knowing I’d sold out my country.

[–] nuxetcrux@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What about 9-to-12 mil?

[–] what@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Only one million. Apparently the IRL answer is come talk to me when your company makes the fortune 500.

I take it. Sign it.

Then tell the American people.

Fuck rich people

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I dunno why you're implying this is something outlandish when this already happens. They just call it "campaign donations" if they're in office and "speaking fees" when they're out of it.

[–] Icalasari@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I was president, something went horribly wrong as I'm Canadian

Don't worry, the 28th amendment was passed officially annexing canada, and grants "Natural Born Citizen" status to all former citizens and residents of Canada, age restrictions were also waived. Everything is fine.

[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

No. If you need to pay for legislation, it is obviously shit.

[–] barry_budapest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1m sounds like an amazing deal to buy a president

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[–] DrQuint@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

"Only one million? Man, this economy is really bad, getting someone should do something about it."

[–] waterbogan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends what they want me to do. If I'm on board with whatever it is they want me to do I might do it for a lot less. If its something that goes strongly against my beliefs and values though, no amount of money is going to get me to do it

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something highly unethical, but no direct killings or anything. (Think de-regulating oil industry, directing IRS to not audit their taxes even if there's high suspicion, etc.)

[–] waterbogan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's a no from me then

[–] IntentionallyAnon@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I would ask for 1.25 but I would accept 1 million a year

[–] hellishharlot@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

President makes 400,000 a year for a min of 4 years (1,600,000) and a max of 8 years (3,200,000) so I'd probably ask for 5,000,000 a year for them to call the shots and an extra 1,000,000 for anything I don't think will get me reelected.

4 years of 5mil nets me 20mil and 8 nets me 40mil. I stash that away in a moderate dividend spread and I'll be just fine for the overwhelming majority of my life.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember Trump shilling canned beans in the oval office? Doubt he got paid much

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't take a direct bribe unless it was for something I already wanted or had thought about doing. I would definitely leverage inside information to make money for my family and friends.

[–] Echo71Niner@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

365 million is pennies, has to be 10 times that amount.

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[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'll do it as long as they pay me in XMR

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Likely gonna make at least that much from speaking deals and being on think tank boards and the like anyway. Doing your best to improve the nation, thus improving your image, could very easily sharply increase the money you make from those gigs. Even at that level I wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what to do with the money, so I sure as hell wouldn't really want more.

[–] Eggyhead@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

I’d put it to a vote.

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