chapotraphouse

The average person is conflict avoidant and terrible at negotiating. In general life, this is even a virtue. But it's bad for revolutions. Get more comfortable being stubborn, people

An immediate vote might be a win. A months away vote is a defeat for the student movement here.

What amuses me the most is that libs would get mad if they saw this thread.

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Y'all don't understand how things work. Don't be naïve. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Etc etc fucking etc

A few months later:

The vote was rigged and nothing changed??

Damn these mfers got that ivy league education..

(At the vote in 5 most months) That was an amazing speach sweaty, but unfortunately there's just nothing we can do, we just have to support genocide

Come Octoberthey will get a seat on a committee preparing the vote. After eight months of deliberations a vote is held whether or not to endorse a petition to the board to divest from companies without a CSR policy. The vote will pass and the board will consider the petition but will ultimately reject it due to legal advice about their fiduciary responsibility for the endowment and the risk of antisemitism suits of a zionism-related company is divested from.

They did this shit during BLM and Occupy and every other big protest during my lifetime. I know some of these people weren't really around for occupy, but surely they remember BLM

students of brown university, you are the weakest link

Never trust Liberals on anything

Not even an actual action but vote? Yeah they're cooked.

Never let the opposition delay elections.

Trueanon Rules Broken, prepare for consequences.

If these dumbasses get in a helicopter, stalin help them.

Lack of object permanence is a hell of a thing

Maybe the certain failure will spur some of them to radicalize, realizing the intent was only to dupe them

Maybe they will treat this failure like every other, as a problem of 'bad faith actors', not as a system working exactly as intended

more like Clown University

Oh yeah sure maybe we'll have a vote in october and what do ya know we decded to increase our holdings. Remember to

October!?

5 months later all the palestinians are dead

Wow cool, maybe some Palestinian children might still be alive by October!

look at my activists dawg 💀

Carrots are vegetables.

admittedly, end of the school year means they only have so much leverage for so long. But this seems like a paper "win" just to make people feel better and send them home without getting arrested. I think this is the tactic most schools are using "oh well admin can't do this unilaterally we have to go to xyz board/committee with it" and then the students stand down with just a handshake promise that they'll propose it at the next meeting. On paper, it seems miles better than what they've ever gotten before (the lead organizers of these events have mostly all been involved before oct 7th and gotten used to being shut down and ignored,) and if they can get amnesty from reprisals/prosecution to boot...

Honestly I don't know what the right answer is though (this ain't it obviously, but still), they only have so much support, and the supporters are only willing to take so much risk, especially seems to be more of a thing at smaller schools with less eyes on them. Basically any city in the country has enough swat teams and riot cops they can call in to clear something like this unless mayyyybe if the group was very organized, militant, and dug in. The reason they don't is optics but the harder the students push, the easier it gets to just paint them as violent rioters or whatever and come in and mass arrest, which with how disciplined cops are would probably turn into another kent state. Just staying indefinitely doesn't work because kids leave for the summer, and once the numbers wane its a lot easier to just come in and sweep them.

#vote