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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/2442782

Biden gave a speech this morning condemning the university antiwar protesters. He calls them violent and says that they are protesting illegally.

full video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXLjdZbwutY

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[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 124 points 6 months ago

"We do not need allies more devoted to order than to justice"
-Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 89 points 6 months ago

Remember when Biden condemned the brutal police response against the BlackLivesMatter protest? That's when Trump was in office and Biden was running against him. He stated there must be a right to assembly and freedom of speech. Yet when he's put in a similar situation, it's no different. The US is accelerating their decline to further line the pockets of the ruling class. It's legitimately horrendous!

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 66 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

In moments like this, there are always those who rush in to score political points. But this isn’t a moment for politics.

Joe “nothing will fundamentally change” Biden

i-voted

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 59 points 6 months ago

Pro Palestinian protests

The president stressed that violent protests are not protected under the law

Still won't admit these are anti genocide protests, and obviously does not care about the "counter protestors" who attacked UCLA students.

The beatings will continue until moral improves.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 56 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Order for who?

Order for who, motherfucker?

[–] Pollux@leminal.space 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But have you considered that those investing in genocide are human too

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

I did! And I came to the conclusion that no, they are not.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

He's gonna sign that antisemitism bill isn't he?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 30 points 6 months ago

How dare heroic protesting students stand against genocide.

Fuck off, Biden. Stop the slaughter.

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What i figure from this is that the only reasons the Democrat party doesn't win more often in the US, is that they're really, really, really bad at their jobs.

Like take Hillary for instance. She only lost because she managed to look more incompetent than Trump. Now Trump is doing his darnest that no one will be more incompetent than him, but by all the starts in the universe, genocide Joe will give him a run for his money

Stay tuned for the election with the worst presidential candidates that the US could produce. It's so embarrassing, i fear my face might freeze in the cringe.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. The protests scratched Biden.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Can you explain the meaning of this

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ripping a comment word for word:

Especially when subject to leftist criticism will they suddenly swing hard right. Progressive liberals will take all sorts of quasi-socialist positions, as long as they are arguing with a reactionary under an overarching reactionary climate.

But as we saw with Obama and Clinton, they will easily swing right when offered the most tepid social democratic criticism, let alone fully Marxist ones, if they fall for the propaganda that claims neoliberalism is "adult politics," "reasonable," "centrist." The same people who protested Bush's wars and called for UHC in 2007 were defending Libya and Honduras and attacking UHC in 2016.

Liberals, progressive or reactionary, are consummate opportunists. They have to be, by necessity. If your average worker maintained a consistent set of values and historical vision, we would all be revolutionaries by now. Turning on a dime to talk out both sides your mouth is the only way to uphold a liberal political party's line. "Respectability politics" can only work if people disrespect historical continuity and their own good moral/class sense.

The same day they tell a white supremacist that the police are racist and corrupt and that we need strong social programs, they will tell a leftist that community self policing/armed self defense and serve the people campaigns are ridiculous. To them this hypocrisy is nuance, but to anyone with clear historical vision and class consciousness it's just hypocrisy and a clear sign of how a protofascist develops

https://np.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/69fohm/what_is_meant_by_scratch_a_liberal_and_a_fascist/

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Liberals always passively let capitalism decay into fascism, because fascism doesn't harm the capitalist class. When forced to make a choice between organizing to overthrow the capitalist state and letting it decay into fascism, they will always choose fascism.

The Freikorps in Germany for example that hunted down communists, socialists, and trade unionists were already being trained and funded by the government even before the Nazis had ever come into power.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Hilary has negative charisma and being a Democrat woman for her was also a negative. The woman part was the worst.

These are not my feelings about her (well, the negative charisma is) but just my view on why she had little chance versus Don Cheetos.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

The self-licking boot.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Let’s highlight the actual points in this article instead of taking Hexbear at their word:

emphasizing that violent protest is not protected under the law.

Biden emphasized that “peaceful protest is in the best tradition of how Americans respond to consequential issues”

“Whether it’s antisemitism, Islamophobia or discrimination against Arab Americans or Palestinian Americans, it’s simply wrong... In America, we respect the right and protect the rights for them to express that, but it doesn’t mean anything goes. It needs to be done without violence, without distraction, without hating and within the law.”

The president also said “no” to a separate shouted question asking whether he thinks the National Guard should intervene in the campus protests.

To summarize, he respects their right to protest and called for nonviolence without citing any side in particular. Notable that there have been violent counter-protestors.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 59 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Berkeley has had an encampment on campus since April 22nd and hasn't sent in the cops.

As always, with protests like this, the violence always begins with cops.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/berkeley-takes-hands-off-approach-gaza-campus-protests-columbia-called-police-2024-05-02/

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Violence begins with cops or fascist agitators*. So far the students have had the discipline to not retaliate, which is what the violent agitators want.

*Some of those who work forces…

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Every single one of the US's amendments came not through voting, or within the political system itself. Every single one was accompanied by violent and disruptive protest and the threat from the masses below.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Ok, but protests need to be done “without distraction”? That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago

I'm against all protests that I can't ignore completely

[–] Pollux@leminal.space 34 points 6 months ago

Translation: We only allow "protests" that are ineffective and don't cause any trouble for the ruling class

Also, Lemmy.world user detected, opinion rejected.

[–] fah_Q@lemmy.ca 32 points 6 months ago

Name anything significant that changed with "peaceful protest" shit nothing changes when right-wing nut jobs stormed Congress.

[–] Deinonychusanti@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Whithout citing any side in particular.

Do you really think Biden is talking about anyone other than the pro-Palistinian protesters in this context?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Peaceful protests have not won anything. The Civil Rights Movement was not peaceful, despite liberal mythology.

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