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Irrespective of the popular success which Bluesky / Mastodon may receive, I am simply glad that enough platforms exist for anyone to seek refuge in if the rapacity by these giants becomes the norm.
The majority of social media sites (with the exception of youtube imo) don't provide anything of value. A smart high school kid could write a twitter clone over a weekend. The only thing these websites have to offer is their large user base.
EDIT: OK, I apparently upset some people. I was exagerating when I said it could be done in a weekend, but my point stands that it's pretty easy to make a twitter clone/reddit clone, and the challenge in succeeding for twitter is getting a user base. The tech is incredibly easy to build.
Exactly. OG content creators, shit posters and lurkers make the Eco system work.
In that order.
Once some corp spook starts fucking with the Eco system, quality of discourse goes down until the platform gets gutted.
I don't want shit marketed to me. I am looking to shoot ideas and have some push back on assumptions
Putting me into echo chamber via cohort groups or shoving endless ads provides me with zero benefit, daddy
A smart high school kid could write a twitter clone over a weekend
This is a pretty good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Twitter is much more than the simple frontend you see when you click on the website, there is absolutely no way a single person could recreate it in a month, less alone a weekend.
Is bluesky part of fediverse?
No but it is decentralized
bluesky is crap. it requires an invite and id verification. 100% will turn into a fascist navel-gazing network.
Well that certainly is a hot take
Id verification since when? I haven't done that.
jack is a fascist so it shouldnt surprise anyone
bluesky is crap. it requires an invite and id verification. 100% will turn into a fascist navel-gazing network.
The rest of the platforms which will still be using anonymous access will be invaded by AI's astroturfing their stuff into your face. Which one do you prefer?
It's literally impossible for any social network to ever under any circumstances be relevant/important enough that asking for an ID could theoretically be forgivable under any circumstances, let alone valid.
There are very few scenarios where any website asking for an ID should even be legal. It's a massive and inexcusable privacy issue.
People won't fight for privacy. They already know that they are spied on but still they do not react.
But it claims it will become decentralized (unless something has changed in the last month or so).
I believe they opened things up to developers recently. I do think they will become decentralized, but am more concerned it will become a "no censorship" aka "no moderation" mess pretty quickly. It relies quite heavily on filters and aggregators rather than moderators.
No. It's decentralized like the Fediverse, but it doesn't use ActivityPub. I think there are some 3rd party developers working on an ActivityPub-Bluesky bridge, but nothing concrete yet.
Isn't it also just not open to federation at the moment? So the federated/decentralized aspect could just be vaporware and never happen. I don't even begin to take their word for it until it stops being de-facto centralized.
I'm no expert, but I found this blogpost insightful: BlueSky is cosplaying decentralization
The more I read about BS’s protocol, the more I think this is done on purpose.
Why? Because it allows BS to pay lip service to decentralization, without actually giving away the power in the system.
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Another pretty good sign that BS’s decentralization is actually b.s. is the fact that the Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) used by BlueSky are currently “temporarily” not actually decentralized. The protocol uses something imaginatively called “DID Placeholder”. If I were a betting man I would bet that in five years it will keep on using the centralized DID Placeholder, and that that will be a root cause of a lot of shenanigans.
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it decentralizes the cost to the central authority by pushing data load onto volunteers, while planning to keep control by being the biggest kid on the “reach” block.
They’re making their own federation. They brought in Mastodon consultants and have set up their own AT Protocol and of course we’re activitypub. To federate everyone their would need to be a bridge between AT and activitypub
As someone that had never used Twitter, why use this over Mastodon?
Presumably, discovery is a lot better.
Having used both Twitter and Mastadon, discovery on Mastadon is essentially impossible. You have to already know who you want to follow, there is no mechanism in place to help you actually find content you might be interested in.
This makes me feel better. I thought it was just me having a terrible time trying to find content on Mastodon.
Since you are the algorithm for what you see instead of the system, you do have to put in some work to find content that interests you. But it is possible and rewarding when you do. Assuming microblogging is of interest to you of course.
Something that makes it a bit easier to discover new accounts is to join a medium to large server, and look at posts from the local and federated timelines. I know it's not as easy as an algorithm-powered timeline
I thought it was currently invite only? Is that not the case?
It is. They've temporarily disabled invite codes.
They mention this in the article. And the article summary.
I'm rooting for the federated platforms, but there is clearly a need for a basic simple twitter replacement.
It's unfortunate that this drop in replacement isn't in the fediverse though. Bluesky's success isn't technical (yet), it is better marketing and connections with VIP users.
Mastodon.
Anything else simple/centralized will eventually become the next twitter.
I managed to get a code today and signup maybe an hour before they locked out invites :)
Is it similar to Mastodon? Is the same happening there?
Mastodon is also seeing an influx, but probably smaller and crucially, the signups are spread across many many servers (there are thousands to choose from), so the likelihood of more than a couple getting overloaded now is slim.
The earlier twitter -> mastodon migrations put more stress on the servers because there were far fewer available but things have scaled up a lot since then. And we have a lot more experienced sysadmins and cloud engineers who are capable of scaling up their instances more rapidly at the helm of many of the large instances.
Does it rub anyone else the wrong way that you need to have an invite code to use bluesky? I wanted to use it but it just screams elitism to me.
Are they not on a whitelist? I sign up for the whitelist but didn't even get any email