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Why would Gazans attack a pier being built to being them aid?
It's far FAR more likely that the attacks were carried out by Israelis. It wouldn't be the first time they attacked people trying to provide aid to the Gazans. Hell - it wouldn't even be the first time this month.
I don't doubt the possibility that Israelis were behind this attack, but there's a good chance this really was done by Hamas/Hamas related groups. from this post to the sub just earlier today, a Hamas official mentioned potential attacks against the pier:
Al-Hayya also implicitly threatened that Hamas would attack Israeli or other forces who might be stationed around a floating pier the U.S. is scrambling to build along Gaza’s coastline to deliver aid by sea.
“We categorically reject any non-Palestinian presence in Gaza, whether at sea or on land, and we will deal with any military force present in these places, Israeli or otherwise … as an occupying power,” he said.
so it could be a case of Hamas cutting off their nose to spite their face. I'm gonna have to see this reported by non Israeli news sources before I believe it though.
I don't know who or why you got downvoted, this seems like a reasonable stance to me.
The reasonableness is likely the cause. Very few people are comfortable with the stance, "Hamas and IDF are BOTH shitty"
Very few loud people are comfortable with that. The average person has probably washed their hands of the situation because it's fucked all around. No one is the good guy and it's depressing.
Exactly, people naturally look for the side to root for, while in this war, their is none. Neither Hamas nor IDF cares about the lives of the citizens (in Gaza or Israel).
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Hamas or another Palestinian group that attacked either. However, I don’t think it would be without reason.
The problem is if the pier is completed then it offers a route for an aid other than the Rafah crossing. That would give Israel an excuse to invade Rafah and take control of the border with Egypt. If they succeed, Israel would finally have full control over Gaza’s food supply which would allow them to use starvation as a weapon. If you want to genocide a people starving them is far more efficient than bombs and bullets. This is a future Palestinians desperately want to avoid.
Remember that it’s not Gazans, it’s a terrorist organization with political power. Not to excuse Israel's actions but Hamas are hardly paragons. This entire phase started with Hamas attacking Israel, then hiding among the civilian population. They do not have the good of their people as a goal, but rather a weapon. I would believe either side would do it
Why would Gazans attack a pier being built to being them aid?
Hamas would absolutely, unquestionably attack a pier being built to bring Gazans aid. Hamas has never been interested in helping their fellow Gazans - which is why e.g. they committed Oct 7 in the first place, even though it was guaranteed to make life worse in Gaza. You're confusing a tyrannical terroeist group with the Gazan people in general, i.e. you're spouting the same rhetoric Netanyahu does.
You say that but provide no evidence other than your belief.
What gain does that bring Hamas? Comparing that to what gain it brings netanyahu it does seem like he's more likely to blame.
A stunning event predicted by everyone the instant the pier was announced...
Just to nip the inevitable deluge of "I don't trust an Israeli news source" comments in the bud, here's an article from the Navy Times that cited statements by American and UN sources stating the attack took place. No casualties were reported by said US and UN sources.
At the time of this comment the article states that no group or organization has taken responsibility for the mortar attack.
I'm going to go with the 99.9% more likely scenario of IDF terrorists posing as Hamas in order to attack US infrastructure, sway public sentiment away from Gaza, and further accomplish the goals of the genocide they are currently prosecuting. Fuck Israel.
There's no way to know at this very moment and projecting your own bias as an amateur, which I'm assuming you are, reveals your own status as a moron, or worse; a bad actor.
Good point. Unlike the other two Israel twinks in this conversation you actually did isolate a legitimate bias in my original rhetoric. Therefore, I partially accept your criticism.
However, it is also important to note that we have repeatedly seen the IDF intentionally obfuscationing its atrocities by using the fog of war as part of their psychological warfare campaign. So, I am comfortable saying that there is significant strategic value to them attacking US aid infrastructure...
I wouldn’t believe an Israeli news source if they told me water was necessary for human survival. As shocking as it is to say this, I’ll wait for the statement from the US military, as they’re more trustworthy than propaganda from a right-wing government.
AP decided this was not headline worthy:
Concerns still loom large — the pier was attacked Wednesday, the U.N. official said, as four high-ranking U.N. officials were visiting the site. The military said the mortar fire from Gaza militants forced the officials to take shelter, but no one was killed or harmed.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-aid-port-eb8a701b3a7dc8f946422c04323ff913
Just this morning I read about construction of the pier, and said to my wife "I wonder how long it will take for an accidential bombing of that site."
Hamas knows if this is built then they can't sell all the aid that they get for free. Bad for business
Yes, and it was predictable.
From the article...
Gazan terrorists fired mortar shells on Wednesday towards the construction work on the humanitarian pier being built off the coast of Gaza.
Israeli news site, zero sources or evidence cited. Definitely trustworthy.
I just mentioned what I did because the Lemmy headline or summary didn't mention the humanitarian pier at all.
