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Apparently Wikipedia considers Katyn to be genocide (hexbear.net)
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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

"the law requires every graduate to be an officer, so killing officers is actually killing the intelligentsia"

wtf-am-i-reading

Um, maybe if you don't want that to happen, just... don't have that law? This is like conscripting child soldiers and then complaining that your enemy is murdering children. Like, if you're actually fighting a truly desperate conflict against a genocidal foe, like the Soviets against the Nazis, some desperate measures can be justified, but this is interwar Poland we're talking about here.

We've fully entered the "killing soldiers is actually genocide" phase of rhetoric (except when Western countries actually kill civilians, that's just regrettable but unavoidable collateral damage).

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago

We've fully entered the "killing soldiers is actually genocide" phase of rhetoric

Pretty sure that's actually part of the Black Book of Communism.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Um, maybe if you don't want that to happen, just... don't have that law? This is like conscripting child soldiers and then complaining that your enemy is murdering children.

Egh, this comparison seems a bit iffy... (Context: look at Israeli rumours about child soldiers in Gaza, and thus justifying killing children)

You could put in women there and that makes sense, while not being as problematic....

Other than that, I agree somewhat... though I believe the Soviets aren't the perpetrators...

[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Egh, this comparison seems a bit iffy...

I sort of agree, but that's why I added the bit afterwards about desperate measures - Gazans are in exactly such a situation, fighting a foe that openly declares its intention to exterminate them. In such circumstances, a lot of things are justifiable that otherwise wouldn't be. The various rules of war can be useful in "normal" conflicts where a negotiated settlement can be reached, and following those rules can limit escalation and thus minimize damage to all parties involved, but if one side seeks to completely slaughter the other, that framework kind of falls apart - things have already escalated to one of the highest levels possible.

Poland was, until the Nazi invasion, not fighting a genocidal foe, and in fact had been the aggressor in their war against the Soviets, had participated in the partition of Czechoslovakia, and had some pretty wild expansionist ideas. So their case is rather different.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, there's a difference between national liberation and plain out national chauvinism and irredentism, and Poland was one of the latter...

[–] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 56 points 7 months ago

Polish chuds have moaned about it for a long time

[–] Procapra@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

[citation needed]

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

It's just the Polish nationalistic narrative (also including such delusions how if Poland hadn't been attacked by Nazi Germany and the USSR, it'd be a world power) - they could have gone away with citing some crackpot from the IPN or something.

[–] MrStalin@hexbear.net 44 points 7 months ago

[citation needed]

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 34 points 7 months ago

We need a us-foreign-policy but it's holding the political cumpiss and the right side is labeled "okay" and the left side is "not okay"