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How much of your life have you degoogled? (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by frogman@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

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We're reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.

Now more than ever, it's important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.

For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:

Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.

Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.

This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its' users.

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[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's been a long time in the making, but I've finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here's where I'm at these days:

OS: Fedora (Silverblue) Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
Storage: Syncthing
Web: Firefox
Search: Startpage and DuckDuckGo mostly, but still use Google and Bing on occasion
IM: Signal
Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my "docs" are just plain text files written in markdown
Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
Code editor: Vim, VS Code
GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers

Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.

I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-dominated environment.

[-] rmicielski@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

I have to just be sure that you at least know about demicrosofted VS Code, VS Codium

[-] thayer@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Haha I do, and I've used VSCodium in the past. I don't mind using the official release with telemetry disabled (and sandboxed as a flatpak), but may very well switch back if/when Microsoft does anything shady with the project.

[-] PR_freak@vlemmy.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How has a self hosted imap been treating you?

I heard some pretty brutal stories, like big email providers just refusing emails from self hosted servers

[-] aeternum@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)

[-] dtc@lemmy.pt 2 points 1 year ago

I self-host my own mail server. I don't send many emails, but they seem to be arriving correctly whenever I do at the moment, but it wasn't always like this. I've properly setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which helps a lot, but my IP address was blacklisted on some servers from a previous owner I guess. I have a VPS from OVH. I had to manually fill out some forms to get Microsoft Outlook to accept emails from my server. Despite that, it has been working flawlessly. I have my own domain since 2017, and I'd say the age of the domain is also important.

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[-] lpslucasps@lemmy.pt 13 points 1 year ago

I used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I'm much less dependent on Google and their services now. I'm even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!

Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
E-mail: Protonmail
File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
Maps: OpenStreetMaps
2FA App: Aegis
Translator: DeepL
Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)

Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it's safe to say I've come a long way!

Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there's just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.

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[-] clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

So um…how do I show the lemmyverse that this is a really important post without the shiny meaningless gold coin?

[-] sweBers@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Interact, share. Be positive.

[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

idk. Try writing a poem?

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 2 points 1 year ago

I can write poetry, so I asked a new friend:

In the realm of tech's changing tide,
Where billions flowed like an endless ride,
Investor money, a torrent's stream,
Built startups bright with a lofty dream.

But now, the era draws to a close,
As monoliths emerge, the story goes.
They tighten their grip, a vice-like hold,
Squeezing pennies from users, bold and cold.

Fair or not, the question arises,
Do we still want to wear their disguises?
Are we mere billboards, a canvas for their name,
Or can we reclaim our autonomy, break free from the game?

In this pivotal moment, we must pause,
Reconsider, question, and find our cause.
To degoogling, a path unfolds,
Where privacy and freedom firmly hold.

Privacy Guides, a beacon of light,
Leading us to services that respect our right.
No longer pawns in their data-collecting scheme,
We seek alternatives that make our souls gleam.

Plexus, a treasure trove of shared knowledge,
Mapping compatibility beyond the edge.
A community united, hand in hand,
Building a future where we take a stand.

And in that random PDF, a study's gaze,
Unveiling the truth in Google's data maze.
Awareness dawns, eyes open wide,
As we uncover the layers they've tried to hide.

So let us step back, reassess our role,
As users, as consumers, with a collective goal.
To break free from the clutches that bind,
Embrace a future where our privacy we find.

For the era of user exploitation wanes,
And in its place, a new dawn remains.
Where we reclaim our voices, make choices anew,
And shape a world where fairness rings true.

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[-] allonsyeet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Upvote i guess ❤️🍓

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[-] geon@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I deleted my Google accounts today and made a Proton email to replace my previous emails with. I’m now using Firefox and DDG, and it honestly feels much fresher now. I’m happy to finally be exploring alternatives to Google and learning about online security and integrity.

[-] frogman@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

i can see on your profile that you're 17, you're awesome for taking these things seriously so young. it gets a chuckle sometimes when people see no google apps on my phone, or a different search engine when i look something up. if you hear any laughs, just know you're on the right side of history :p

[-] geon@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

These past few weeks I’ve really been getting more and more into programming and online security. I reckon I will learn a lot from this community, and Lemmy in general. The whole Reddit migration thing already taught me plenty about how a corporate app can drive away its users. It feels good to let Google go, and here is to learning more about everything federated and decentralised!

[-] frogman@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

idk if you're familiar with the 'reddit hack' when making searches online. basically, you add 'reddit' to the end of your search and you'll get a list of reddit posts discussing the thing you're looking for.

i want a 'lemmy hack' to replace this, ending a search with 'site:beehaw.org' or 'site:lemmy.world'.

this only works if people ask questions for people to answer, so please make posts if you have any questions during your privacy journey. you'll be building the foundations for lemmy to fill the void reddit once did :)

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[-] Segin@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

Outside of work I’ve degoogled with the exception of google calendar (shared family google calendar so that would need to bring everyone along with me!) and unfortunately the google Wi-Fi/nests.

I would like to swap out the google Wi-Fi but it just seems like such a lot of money to waste and they are working at the moment for the mesh Wi-Fi. I’ve just made sure to disable and opt out to as many of the google analytic tracking as possible.

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[-] lividhen@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just switched from Google photos to photoprism. It's pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.

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[-] pztrn@bin.pztrn.online 5 points 1 year ago

100% degoogled. Everything is selfhosted, except for Telegram. Even at job :)

[-] pastelsquirrel@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pretty effectively!

I use a Searx instance for searching (with the engine it uses set to DDG), Tutanota for email and Piped/Invidious and Libretube for videos. meanwhile on both my phone and tablet I've used ADB to purge all of Google's malware, and Play Services is outright disabled on my tablet lmao (and contrary to what one might think, the only thing it impacts is I don't get app notifications)

and then I use Aurora Store to update Twitch and Discord, and I use alternatives from F-Droid for stuff like the calendar

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[-] deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Working on it
Had to give them some money for a Pixel 7, at least it was half off plus a trade-in on the old phone Installed GrapheneOS a couple of days ago

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago

I degoogled by switching to an iPhone 😅 DuckDuckGo is my default search engine.

[-] McBinary@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

That is a sacrifice I'm not willing to make. Yikes!

[-] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 year ago

I'd argue that Apple is the lesser evil when it comes to privacy 😁

[-] sculd@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Basically degoogled except YouTube because content creators are on that platform. Also occasionally needs to use Google search because DDG sometimes doesn't work.

[-] wgs@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

You might want to check invidous, it's a youtube frontend you can use to browse youtube anonymously.

[-] TeaEarlGrayHot@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been running my own Nextcloud instance since 2020, which, combined with ProtonMail, has replaced basically everything I was using Google/Microsoft for

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[-] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Tried DDG a few times over the years. Sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Results were terrible. Google had lots of results and it was just too much effort to keep switching from DDG if it doesn't provide an answer. Because I know Google will.

[-] raptore39@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I have been using DDG as default for probably two years now. I love how I get so few ads and a cleaner experience as well. I absolutely agree Google has better results sometimes and I just use !g at the start of my search to get purely Google results. The search operators are amazing and there are so many!

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[-] thaedrus@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.

Pros:

Full control of my data
Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
Learning experience
Engagement with community

Cons:

Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
Self-hosted tools have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
Disparate tools don't connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server

Key services to name a few:

File storage - Nextcloud
File sync - Syncthing
Office- Nextcloud + Collabora
Email - Mailfence
Photos - Photoprism

So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.

[-] themizarkshow@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I moved off a while ago at this point... I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.

Email: Hey & ProtonMail
Storage: Dropbox
Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
Passwords: 1Password
Other: Apple stuff mostly

[-] evilviper@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

How is the proton pass 2FA? I saw they have that it haven't gotten around to switching from Authy yet.

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[-] code_is_speech@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

LineageOS for microg: degoogled android. DuckDuckGo: search. Firefox: web browser. Ublock origin: ad blocker. Proton: email. OsmAnd+: maps.

Only google product I still use is youtube, but I have made some efforts here:

On desktop pc I use firefox with sponserblock and ublock origin to hide ads and automatically skip sponsered content. I also have an addon called unhook, which hides recommendations, 'people also watched' etc.

I also use and recommend Odysee as a youtube alternative.

On my TV I use SmartTubeNext, on my phone I use revanced.

I host my own music server with navidrome (and my own video media server with Jellyfin). But when I dont have access to that, I also use ViMusic as a youtube music replacement for (degoogled) android.

Can absolutely recommend any and all of the tools I listed.

[-] InterSynth@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I've degoogled my life as much as I can, but it's almost impossible to completely ditch Google Maps, YouTube, and Android. So I'm not even sure I've done anything significant, because I assume they get pretty much everything from my phone.

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[-] coolin@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I used to be on GrapheneOS, but the drama with the developer plus mainly not being able to put my university ID on the wallet, forced me back on stock Android.

Besides Android, I use Google Play Store, YouTube, and Maps. For YouTube I've technically degoogled, using Invidious and NewPipe, but that's obviously still using Google services.

I really wish that digital payment didn't rely on two proprietary services (Google Wallet and Apple Wallet). It would be so much easier for phone companies to ship privacy friendly versions of Android if there was a FOSS alternative directly integrated into AOSP. I also wish apps didn't have to use Google service framework just to function, it seems stupid af. I don't think this will ever improve, so I'll probably end up on a true Linux phone whenever those catch up (2030 YEAR OF THE LINUX PHONE???)

We also need open collaboration on mapping. There is the OpenStreetMaps and Overture maps from Linux foundation, but those aren't really there yet unfortunately.

[-] mitexleo@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

90% of my life is degoogled. I'm using Google Play services for some stuff (It doesn't have network access 😶) it my normal profile. My work profile is completely degoogled.

[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as my PCs, I use a subscription service for email (fastmail.com). I'm still using the Chrome browser, but at some point I may have to go to Firefox for the sake of my uBlock Origin extension which I rely on heavily. Functionality of that extension on Chrome may be reduced at some point by the forced migration to Google's new extension platform (Manifest V3).

I have to have a Google account for my Android phone. I don't think I'll ever be able to get away from that. I mean you have two choices with phones, Android or iOS. I'm not going anywhere near Apple so Android is it. I've audited all my privacy settings in my Google account to minimize personal data, whether they actually honor those settings or not, who knows.

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 2 points 1 year ago

You dont need a google account to run an android phone. Look in to Fdroid and Aurora store. You can disable, although not remove, a lot of the google services too. It's not perfect de googleing as they still track you through hidden built in services like the one that the phone uses to check it's online.

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[-] PiselloSauro@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

Basically outside of Youtube I don’t use any Google service. Started by migrating to Kagi search, and while it requires a subscription, its a price I am willing to pay for a search engine that actually work good.

Everything else I use a mix of FOSS and subscription services.

[-] Coeus@coeus.sbs 2 points 1 year ago

I'm still in the Google android stuff just because of convenience but I have ditched Chrome and Google search. Eventually I would like to do more.

[-] cavemeat@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I have slowly but surely moved everything important off google. My main email is a proton mail now, and I changed my pixel for a oneplus :).

[-] bug@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Changing from a Pixel to another Android phone is hardly degoogling, if anything it's just inviting in another pair of eyes! Ironically the best way to degoogle on Android is with a Pixel running GrapheneOS!

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