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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

TIL that evangelicals who listen, in church, to the literal Sermon on the Mount are complaining to said preachers about all those "woke leftist talking points." When reminded that these were the literal teachings of Jesus Christ, they double down about how it's old, week, and no longer applies.

Evangelicalism is running out of actual Christians in its churches. They're so addicted to toxic GOP insanity that they've replaced their actual religion with insane political machinations in a silly hat.

[–] rustydomino@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a non Jew, this is one of the things I appreciate about Judaism. Y’all might believe this, but you spend zero effort convincing me this is true.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except for orthodox jews who are currently legislating their ass-backwards practice in Israel.

Every religion sucks, some just have the power.

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[–] gabe@literature.cafe 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right. It isn't true. Judaism's official position is that Judaism is explicitly for Jews only. You're welcome to join us if you do the work to do so and realize the difficulty it may bring, but it's our thing and we explicitly do not try to try to convince other people to become Jews. We actively do the opposite, discouraging people to convert. Being Jewish doesn't make us better people or worse people than anyone else, it just makes us Jews.

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[–] gabe@literature.cafe 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I have no idea where you learned that, but you are just patently incorrect. Judaism is a distinct religion separated from Islam and Christianity. It's not those religions-lite, it's its own thing. It is an ethnoreligion, with atheists who practice Judaism culturally.

There is no "factually correct" means of Judaism either, the entire religion is based upon debate and discussion. If you ask two rabbis the same question, you will get four different answers. The word Israel directly translated to "to wrestle with G-d"

Yes, Judaism has its issue but doing this nonsense only serves to harm us.

There is a key religious philosophy in Judaism that athiests who do good deeds are potentially the most giving of all, as it is known for certain that they are doing good things for the sake of being good not out of fear or reward. That is the words uttered from one of the most important Jewish philosophers, ever.

Jews are not your enemy, we are your allies. Evil people tend come for us first, and we will stand up for you when we need to as well. American Jews are extremely chill and extremely left leaning. We are actively pushing back against the US backsliding.

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[–] gabe@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am understanding what you're saying, and I am telling that you're wrong. You're understanding on what religion stands for is coming a very Christianized perspective of what religion is and isn't and taking that approach towards Judaism is extremely harmful. Someone believing in Buddhism does not mean they explicitly think all religions are incorrect, that's probably the worst example as Buddhists are explicitly religiously pluralistic. Jews do not see Judaism as being above all religions and that all others are wrong, it's more nuanced. Judaism is perfectly fine with other religions for the most part in the modern day. Religious pluralism is kind of the general consensus amongst Jews. Philosophically in Judaism its easier for non-Jews to be righteous and enter the afterlife over Jews themselves.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people jusr don't realize just how engrained Christianity is in our society.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I know… Christian atheists stop perpetuating Christian antisemitism and culturally erasure challenge

[–] fkn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the argument prior have is that for religious Jews (~75% in the US) there are religious Jewish laws and a biblical God (~25% of us Jews believe in the biblical God)...

The fact that there is some wiggle room for those 50% of us Jews who believe in a higher power, but not specifically the god of the bible is the part that is lost.

The 25% of Jews who do believe in the biblical God absolutely fall into this meme without question.

Honestly, the problem here isn't the "Christian atheists". You are making some claims about Jews the people and others are making claims about Judaism the religion. Unfortunately, everyone is using the same word too describe it.

[–] gabe@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It feels to be a fundamental misunderstanding of Jewish culture and the way it's inherently disconnected from Christianity, that's my biggest issue with the meme overall tbh

[–] fkn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately it isn't. You can take issue with the overgeneralizing of the 25% of religious Jews who believe in the biblical god... But you are just wrong to think that those 25% do not deserve to be included in this meme. (Or any other jew who believes in their biblical god)

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The one correct religion is Atheism. We worship Athei.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Christianity is the one true religion. Except for Christianity that is not the Christianity that I grew up with. That Christianity is false.

[–] RoundSparrow@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“All religions are true but none are literal.”

[–] faltryka@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a pretty uneducated take, the statement may be generally true for monotheisms, but is pretty off base when it comes to the broad range of religions as a whole.

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[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not Buddhism right? Can’t you be a Buddhist and also be a member of any other religion too?

[–] clobre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Buddhism believes in reincarnation, which contradicts many other religions. Christianity believes in purgatory, heaven, and hell, but Buddhism has many times more and no hell lasts forever (although the worst "sins" will put you in a very specific hell for at least a billion years)

[–] tetraodon@feddit.it 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The belief in reincarnation is neither universal or necessary in Buddhism, with many masters being ambiguous or downright rejecting it, see Buddhadasa (Theravada) or Dōgen (Zen):

Just as firewood does not become firewood again after it is ash, you do not return to birth after death. (Genjokoan)

The fundamentals are the Four Noble Truths.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have heard this but I simple don't get how they can maintain this position when all of their early writings disagree.

The Buddha wasn't shy about discussing at length his other incarnations and how he had escaped the wheel of becoming. Granted Samsura is probably not his but it is based on stuff he supposedly said. I don't get how they can even accept their polytheism without rebirth because there wouldn't be a path to get to gods.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you can't be someone better tell all those tens of millions of followers in South East Asia who are syncretist with ancestor worship, multiple Hindu gods, and local animism.

[–] CommieKurtz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Zen Buddhist here. If your religion makes you feel a type of way then it's working. I know this table is real because I see and feel it. Relationships to religion are a personal experience and I'm not here to tell judge you about the validity of it. We all good homie

[–] hup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Introducing the Ba'hai religion: My religion is true because all the other religions are true.

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