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Moscow concert hall attack: Russia detains 11 as death toll rises to 133 (www.aljazeera.com)

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[–] Octospider@lemmy.one 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure Putin will bomb another Ukrainian kindergarten to help him through this difficult time.

[+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

On the counter, how many provable Nazi kindergartens has Putin bombed?

The onus of proof is on the one making the claims.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, nazi kindergardens. If you believe that I'm sure you support Israel too because they only bomb civilian buildings containing Hamas fighters.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For some reason posting pictures on Connect just doesn't work so let's say I post a picture of a Hamas fighter in a hospital, does that mean Israel is now allowed to raze Gaza like they have?

Also my neighbor is a refugee from Ukrain and her husband was executed during the Russian invasion. The husband wasn't in the military so fuck you too.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So if I find a picture with enough Hamas fighters in a civilian building then what Israel is doing is going to be OK?

Also how can you unironically say Ukrainians are guilty for Russia invading them? That literally the same rhetoric used by Israel to kill Palestinians and sounds like you're no better.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow, that's some Russian propaganda there. The only point that was correct there is the one about Ukrain having some weird nazi shit in their military, which Russia has magnitudes more of. It's weirdly common here in Eastern Europe, I would say it was because of the soviet occupations but Russia has the worst nazi problem so I doubt it.

I listened to that call in its entirety after someone else made the same claim and it's just them saying the person most likely to be in power will most likely to be in power. The rest of the claims are literally Russian propaganda with no basis in reality. Israel also has some fucking crazy shit to say about Palestinians but I'm not going to believe or repeat that because it's equally disgusting.

For some reason you seem to have swallowed fascist propaganda of a country just because it opposes a country you dislike and come to the conclusion that Russia is somehow good for doing the exact same thing as Israel but less successfully in all ways except in propaganda.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 26 points 7 months ago (5 children)

ISIL posted a photo on one of its Telegram channels on Saturday claiming to show the four men who launched the attack. The group said the attack was part of ISIL’s “raging war” on countries fighting Islam.

Interesting that the Islamic State completely ignores Israel, given that Israel is in the process of digging tunnels under and denying Muslims access to the third most holy site in all of Islam...

[–] authed@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

You forgot the fact that Israel is killing mostly innocent civilians in Gaza, using U.S. weapons. It's almost as if they are trying to create terrorists. I know I would be pissed if it happened to me...

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 3 points 7 months ago

The US was founded on using US weapons to kill innocent civilians in a quest to steal their land while creating terrorists along the way. It is a tradition!

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

ISIS also sells the majority of their oil to Israel

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If that was the case, then it is surprising how they never attack Israel.

[–] cuntonabike@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Probably more difficult to get into Israel in the first place tbh.

Plus isn’t mossad meant to be good at spying on people? And yes we all know about their “failures” that lead to the Gaza invasion.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russia is supposedly so good at intelligence that they can manipulate the elections of their greatest geopolitical rival.

[–] cuntonabike@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They also have over 22K kilometres of border, some with ex soviet countries, which the shooters are supposedly from. How difficult do you think it is for someone to get into Russia, really?

Compare that with Israel.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

That's why the CIA is doing so well in China, right?

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Why would ISIS do that? Hamas has done it and achieved desired effect - Israeli reaction to the act of terror with sequential condemnation by many countries of the Israeli responce. ISIS wants unification of Muslims under their banner into Khaliphate. Having terror act in Israel only unite Israelis in their fight against terror and will validate Israel in the eyes of the world.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Muslims aren't exactly popular in Russia, and maybe there's an opportunistic element to it. Israel likely has it's defences up.

...but I don't really think ISIL is a likely culprit. More likely that they are claiming responsibility for something that was much more home grown.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stop talking confidently about this unless you have some sort of information the rest of us don’t. This kind of speculation is what leads to wild conspiracy theories.

They’re claiming responsibility, they are the most likely culprit. Until we have evidence to the contrary we have no reason to believe it wasn’t them.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

A home-grown coalition of 11 perpetrators, working in concert, with access to weapons and explosives, and who were paid by an unknown benefactor?

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I didn't realize ISIL was still a thing.

[–] livus@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

@sentient_loom yeah they're still a thing, just very loose-knit. Eg "the Ansars" in this article on Cabo Delgado.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

They got quite reduced but apparently had many operations planned in Europe that were thwarted.

US intelligence even warned Russia earlier this month that an attack like this was suspected.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Mobilization is coming

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Just a video of Vicky Nuland promising "asymmetric warfare" and "nasty surprises" apropos nothing.