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Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you're still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying "well I buy a cheap used laptop" or "well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee" are completely missing the fucking point.

Don't tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 159 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 57 points 8 months ago

I've only ever seen the last panel of this, delightful.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 97 points 8 months ago (39 children)

Nope sorry, there are many much less capitalistically aggressive alternatives to starbucks and apple. Slaves on the other hand literally (and not figuratively as in here) needed to keep slaving to stay alive. I would seriously feel cramps in my stomach if I walked into a starbucks with that sticker.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago (19 children)

apple and Starbucks are capitalists. Using their products and services is not "capitalism" but "consumerism"

spending a wage you earned is the opposite of capitalism

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[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yep used thinkpad and some kind of Linux sounds more like it.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 82 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Im not judging her because of any hypocrisy. Im judging her because she's a mac user.

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 29 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Then they would be a femboy with striped socks, and drinking a home made coffee in their basement

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So I just need the socks, then?

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 74 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I also get annoyed when people criticize when wealthy people support leftist causes. Like, yeah, Bernie Sanders (or whoever) has a lot of money, so the fact that he isn't blinded to injustice by his own privilege is a good thing.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 63 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I forget who said it, but...

"When I was poor and talked about greed and poverty, they said I was jealous, now that I'm rich and talk about greed and poverty, they call me a hypocrite... I'm starting to think they just don't want to talk about it."

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[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 51 points 8 months ago (9 children)

It's because they aren't using a used ThinkPad

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 49 points 8 months ago (7 children)

As Linux enthusiast I think I have to jump in and say if you're not using a 10-year-old Thinkpad bought second hand running EndeavorOS you're not a true socialist

(Obviously I'm not serious but Poe's Law is a bitch)

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[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Macs naturally can not be stolen or obtain second hand as a gift or in some other sort of deal.

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[–] krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Damn you capitalism for forcing me to buy a mac!

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm no Apple fan but I'm scratching my head at this comment. Would any other brand of laptop be "less capitalist" somehow ? Just because they are less overpriced than macs ?

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Apple is by far the most monopolistic tech company you can choose from.

But... While capitalism naturally leads to monopolies, capitalism can't function under monopolies, so I guess supporting the most monopolistic company is going against capitalism...

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Also, having seen new macs, if I wasn't into gaming the m chip macs seem better for the price than anything else on the market. 🤷‍♂️

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[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 8 months ago

Could've been a gift

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[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Oh, I didn't know you needed apple products, the most monopolistic tech company to exist, to survive. That explains why their fans are so rabbid. I better switch from Linux otherwise I'll die.

[–] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not all that uncommon for workplaces to require a specific OS

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[–] hfiwg@reddthat.com 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Also a product isn't a bad product, just because it is produced under capitalism. A computers ability to compute does not depend on its mode of production.

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

"It's okay to resist capitalism on an iPhone. The feudal lord who owned the pitchforks the peasants killed him with probably observed the irony too." -Ben Stiller

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[–] gentooer@programming.dev 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Paying $7 for very shitty coffee is still a strange decision to me, but I understand

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Pretending you forced to and comparing it to slavery is even stranger

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You can pick up a refurbed MacBook for under $800. Or maybe it's a hand-me down. Or maybe, like me, at the end of a contract their employer said "We ran out of money so consider your laptop payment."

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[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

... or maybe she thought it's an edgy sticker and fits her style?

Idk. But if you really were serious about smashing capitalism, it's kinda irrelevant how much stuff you buy, there's a lot of groundwork to be done, organizing and educating. For all we know, that may be what she's doing in that photo.

If she dressed in rags, owned nothing and was homeless, I fail to see how that would accomplish anything more.

Although I prefer to support local businesses, not a fan of massive corporate chains. My city has dozens of local coffee shops that serve fair trade products. I can walk to a half dozen of them, whether or not I bring my ancient 2011 laptop. But I do love my principles being questioned by smug internet randos so 🖕

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[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

And additionally progress of society has always to be driven by immanent critique, wich is critique from inside the given historical social order.

Who would criticise human society if not its humans? How would any will to change it ever emerge?

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

But Apple is one of the good embodiment of capitalism. It is a symbol of excessive consumption, surveillance for profit, and consumer-right abuse.

That being said, is not like most popular alternatives are any better. If people don't have time to switch to or even heard about better alternatives (upgradeable open hardware running an open community-driven OS), I guess it is not their fault.

Starbucks, however, has many alternatives (at least in the U.S.) that doesn't involve as much union busting and harmful labor practices.

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[–] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 17 points 8 months ago

Well an argument against Apple products specifically is that they promote anti consumer trends.

Proprietary cables, unrepairable devices, having an ecosystem that is hostile to third party devices, popularising things like sealed batteries or removal of headphone jacks.

Apple actively is making the tech world worse imo.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh sorry, I forgot I had the option of pulling a "Sliders" and finding myself in Socialism world, where I can get a tax-payer funded laptop and coffee I get according to my needs, paid for by what I can give with my abilities... Completely fair to judge me for that!

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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Another point to her cause I haven't seen in the comments -

How old is that MacBook and how many hands has it passed through? In my experience, anybody with new (any tech really but ESPECIALLY) Apple products keeps that shiz pristine. I grab a cheap laptop off CL though I'll absolutely sticker it up.

My vote is she's in a school program or something that requires macos stuff and grabbed it second hand off someone on the cheap.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I use a 300usd MacBook pro from 2013 that I put Linux Mint on. It looks exactly the same as a 2024 MacBook Pro.

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