No surprises here really. The creators of dwarf fortress are incredibly passionate about their game. It just happened to become successful. The AAA game industry is the exact opposite.
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They basically made it while living in poverty because they refused to charge for it for the first 10 years. I donated for a few years and got drawings for my money. Great game and great people.
Reminds me of the glorious thread on the steam community page. Somebody was suspicious of all the sudden positive reviews.
I literally bought a copy for all my friends. I don’t think any of them played it though :(.
Trying to think what the opposite of that is.
Passionate about being successful. Just happened to make game?
Dispassionate about game, passionate about making money of it.
Yeah, the corporate heads could have ended up in any industry, they don't care where the money comes from.
Haha i think you got it right
I think that yes, the execs are greedy, but there are also two other problems:
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Shareholders are also greedy, arguably even more greedy than company employees (executives are employees).
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Developers have been overhiring, which is generally a symptom of someone not knowing what they are doing thinking that hiring more people makes things faster/better when actually the opposite is the case.
Out of touch, greedy executives that dont know what theyre doing, trying to meet unreasonable demands of shareholders? Yeah, perfect storm material.
But does execs gain bonuses based on what shareholders gains ? If yes, they are more likely to make more gain for the shareholders.
Yes, thats part if what I was talking about. The shareholders have unreasonable and unrealistic demands. Companies cannot infinitely have increasing profits year over year, but that is what shareholders demand. So the execs try to achieve those unreasonable demands, which results in overhiring because of course if more people work in a game then obviously the games will be done faster and better resulting in more profit, according to their thinking.
Im just saying that while executives are being greedy, they are only one cog in the machine.
Don't forget that executive compensation is often significantly comprised of stock or stock options. By feeding the shareholders, they're feeding themselves.
execs often hold good amounts of shares though, not sure what the point you're trying to make is. It's often in their benefit to make short-term decisions that make the stock price go up in a span of 1-2 years, then they can cash out and do the same somewhere else.
Considering execs usually are fired for ignoring shareholder demands, I would say regardless of how many shares execs have in a company, attempting to meet shareholder demands is always in their favor. This is irrelevant to the point I was making.
I think COVID is partially to blame here too. Specifically with the over hiring. A lot of companies took on too many people with the influx of cash caused by everyone staying home and playing games and when the market went back to level and everyone went back to work companies were left holding the bag for a bunch of employees that they realistically couldn't support and probably shouldn't have hired.
It's important to understand that this is not just individual greed. The problem is that greed is ingrained into the system. Capitalism simply does not function without greed.
The only reason shareholders will move their capital is if the company is expected to grow. What is the point in risking your money if there is no profit? This search for infinite growth is what leads to the death of products. It creates different objectives and incentives than simply making a good product that users will pay for and providing a steady job for employees. A situation where the company does not grow but continues to make a good product and pay its workers a decent wage is an acceptable one for everyone except for shareholders.
Executives are just the middle layer between investors and workers. They make sure that investors get their return on investment, since investors don't really give a shit about the product or even how it operates, they just care about the numbers on the balance sheet. And as someone noted in another comment, they are paid mostly in company stock so that the interests of shareholders become partially their own.
He's right. These people are so fantastically wealthy, but it's not enough. They still need more, more more. And meanwhile, actual people, real human beings are going hungry, without heat, without a home. Not only do laid off employees suffer, but their families and their children too. All so that millionaires can continue promoting themselves to being billionaires and even more.
I don't know of anything realistically that can be done about it (in the short term at least). But it just needs to be shouted louder and louder until there's enough public sentiment that real change can start to happen. Greed needs to be shamed louder and louder. We know all the institutional power that the wealthiest people in the world have to suppress economic equality in every country and throughout the globe, but if our voices grow loud enough, eventually it will be too loud to ignore.
Excessive wealth and greed is a mark of shame. Let's just keep repeating it and hopefully we'll eventually have enough power to reverse it.
The enshittification will continue until profits improve
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