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Leaked recording reveals Michigan Trump ally ranting about 'civil war' after fake elector wife is indicted (www.rawstory.com)
submitted 1 year ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/politics@beehaw.org
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Michigan State Rep. Matt Maddock, the husband of one of the 16 fake electors in that state who were indicted on multiple felonies last month, is warning that MAGA loyalists could escalate their violence to the level of war in an audio recording reported by The Messenger on Friday.“If the government ...

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[–] infinitevalence 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/R419KgYn (fixed link)

the actual recording... and wow. I just dont even know how we can reach people like this. They are so convinced that they are the victims and that anything done to them is infringement on their right to hurt others.

I dont want to be a doomsayer but I think this country may be really screwed, without focused deprogramming they are convinced that the democrats want communism. Which is insane, because the democrats want status quo, and corporate oligarchy.

[–] st3ph3n@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ. Listening to what's in that recording is a lot more damning than what's written in the article.

[–] infinitevalence 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Want another raw recording of state lawmakers in TN? https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1646548124272324608?s=20

Best quote "You gotta do what’s right even if it’s wrong"

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Truth isn't truth.

It's their foundational belief.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Freedom is slavery...

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The scary thing is they really think they’re completely in the right morally, and so ethics don’t matter.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

But rising up violently means these cowards would have to come to Detroit. They're entirely too chicken shit to do it.

[–] steebo_jack@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I dont want to be a doomsayer but I think this country may be really screwed,

I get that feeling too, like in 50 years when the rest of the world is studying what went wrong with the US, 2016-2024 will be the time period that they will be looking at...

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has been building up for a lot longer than that. Some people post to Reagan, but it's even older than that. I'd put it back to the early televangelist starting to get involved in politics. Swaggart, Graham, Roberts, Hubbard, Bakker, Falwell, and especially Pat Robertson. Bastard even tried to run for president.

[–] Rekliner@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Inevitably these discussions lead back to Nixon and his various paranoias.

[–] immibis@social.immibis.com 1 points 1 year ago

@steebo_jack @infinitevalence @stopthatgirl7 it's been a slow burn since at least 1950ish and it's happening worldwide

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The secret is: we don’t need them and never have. Stop thinking about them and continue moving forward.

Unreachable people have always existed politically. Somehow the conversation these days has become “what about the problems of fascists? How do we get them on-board and deradicalize them?” But we can’t and never will.

We’ll just continue without them as they fade into the marginalia of history.

[–] infinitevalence 11 points 1 year ago

maybe where you live, where I live they are getting bolder, and more violent.

[–] dleewee@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The problem is the crazies started getting voted into office. Not a ton, but enough now to start driving the party narrative. They don't listen to reason, they don't compromise, and they have no grip on reality. They would rather burn it all to the ground than let one more gay person get married, one more woman make her own health care choice, or etc. Their own party doesn't even know wtf to do about it.

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The two-party system gotta end so the big parties can split and leave their history behind. You could have another party born out of bernier-aoc-warren with better PR called People of America or.some shit, with actual socialist policies, but it probably would not make them as mad, because their grievances are with the "Democrats", you know, like a rival football team.

[–] infinitevalence 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

problem is the its up to the Democrats and Republicans to choose to end the 2 party system. Which will never happen because they are both drunk with power.

I have spent my whole life advocating and voting for change and its clearly not working. maybe we can get the majority unionized and create a power block so big it cant be ignored anymore... but otherwise I just dont know what to do.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

problem is the its up to the Democrats and Republicans to choose to end the 2 party system. Which will never happen because they are both drunk with power.

"Both sides," is inaccurate and inappropriate here. Democrats support ranked choice voting, Republicans oppose it. That's what's needed for other parties to be viable.

[–] infinitevalence 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair, but the challenge is that not enough Democrats support it. So while its inaccurate to suggest both parties are equal, its fair to suggest that its not to the benefit of either party and that motivates at least some members.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It may be accurate but it's not fair. It suggests a false equivalence.

[–] ExecutiveStapler@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's true that it's difficult, but it's not true that changing the voting system will never or has never happened. Link shows the states where RCV has been enacted on state and local levels. It's notable that it's mainly Democrat states that have enacted RCV and it's only Republican states that have banned it (which is fucking ridiculous). You could be the one to get RCV enacted in your city, which'll show everyone in your city how cool it is to have more choices, which'll then snowball into getting it enacted in your state, which long term could snowball into it getting enacted on the federal level.
You're nearly never more politically powerful than when you're one of a few dozen people in a city meeting.

[–] infinitevalence 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ha... yeah no. I dont really want to get shot by my neighbours for trying to moderate politics in my "city" I dont even feel comfortable putting political signs on my lawn.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If this is your idea of meaningful political conviction, can you really be that surprised that not much changes?

[–] infinitevalence 5 points 1 year ago

no im just trapped in an unincorporated deep Red county, in the south. I im not paranoid, im just not dumb. I know exactly which neighbours I can be open with and its a shockingly small number. I am represented by people who advocate sedition and treason, I have neighbours who openly harass people who dont publicly identify as for Trump. Moderates have to run as independents and even then they are accused of being "Democrats" their are churches in my town that burn books in mass bonfires.

I will continue to try to change things by voting for moderate Republicans because at least then my vote counts. I will keep trying to appeal to the working-class people who have been left behind by education and globalization that support reasonable labour reform so long as its presented as a conservative ideal.

I advocate using their language, and appeal to their idea of fiscal responsibility, but no... I wont make myself a target in my house. I will go to rallies, I will go to parades, I vote in every election, but I dont preach about it to neighbours.

[–] ExecutiveStapler@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Absolutely agree. I don't know what form of doomscrolling leads to such a paranoid view of the world that they believe their neighbors would shoot them for advocating for mere voting reform, but it's certainly not healthy. It's also plainly ridiculous for them to advocate for unionizing in the same trigger happy society that'd apparently off them the second they enter a town hall.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

My friend, there are definitely parts of the US where having left-leaning views is dangerous. People can and do get attacked.

I know, I grew up in a place like that.

[–] infinitevalence 1 points 1 year ago

Lemmy is my only social media.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, is that the right link? It wasn’t of the recording.

[–] infinitevalence 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, fixed it!

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you!

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 35 points 1 year ago

Here’s a piece of free advice: if conservatives would stop breaking the law, those agencies would stop prosecuting them.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck around & find out, #fash.

Recent voting shows that there are a lot fewer of you than you think.

[–] teft@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not only that but the ones that do exist tend to be cowards.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

And absolute fools.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago

Pro-Tip - if you don't want to be investigated, stop doing shady shit!

Remember when they got all butthurt that the IRS was "investigating conservative organizations"?

Gee... the same ones who have websites proudly proclaiming they don't pay taxes? Ya think?

Then they made the IRS apologize? Seriously?

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

[–] rynzcycle@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Via Wikipedia:

Maddock was expelled from the Republican caucus by Speaker Jason Wentworth in April 2022 for allegedly violating confidentiality rules.[5] Maddock claimed his expulsion was retaliation for his support of Kristina Karamo and Matt DePerno in the Republican primaries.

These people don't even like each other, how can you live your life surrounded by so much hate?

[–] sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

Because the only thing that unites them is a desire to return to slavery

[–] dharwin@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bring it, Meal Team 6. Conservatives aren't the only ones with guns.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Increasingly, they are. Especially if the left gets its way with gun control.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They wouldn't stand a chance against the US military. Ffs, this is Michigan, a Union state, way to betray your history.

[–] immibis@social.immibis.com 6 points 1 year ago

@stopthatgirl7 @politics most conservative gun nuts are itching for reasons to pull the trigger and get away with it

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

that's right, son.. we're coming after all you criminals and terrorists..