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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Is the joke that he's talking nonsense? Trade doesn't make a society capitalist.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

Came here to say this. Thinking trade and markets make capitalism is classic liberal/conservative mindrot.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 20 points 8 months ago

Yep. He's describing commerce, or just trade on a smaller level.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

Capitalism is when trade checkmate communists

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is when I own all the tools, and someone else does the labor in return for a small portion of the trade receipts. If the first nations people did that, then sure, the were proto-capitalists.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We have little to no evidence that this was the case. Unfortunately, we do have evidence that the first nations were settled, agrarian societies before smallpox and company were introduced. That's what De Soto describes encountering 100 years before the English document that the first nations peoples live as roving hunter gatherers. Because our written historical record was only able to record what amounts to a post-apocalyptic society, and the first nations kept little written records themselves, there's so much about Native America that we just won't ever be sure about.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be clear, I'm not saying that first nations peoples were proto-capitalists. Just what the conditions for being a capitalist are.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And even if they knew what words meant...

So?

They'd still have been genocided by capitalism (in this framework). Do they think it doesn't count when you do it to your own ideology?

Most of the criticisms about capitalism are that it eats its own young!

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

I think it is only about the meme(?) and how the premise of the content is wrong and through that any discussion about the argument itself is pointless.

Your criticism is valid but it's based on accepting the premise that they already rejected.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 8 months ago

proud of this comment section for recognizing bs when bs is present

[–] 0xb@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

most knowledgeable capitalism apologist

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm just here to see people in the comments taking this seriously and getting upset 😀

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I don't remember this scene, what episode is it from?

[–] Ultragramps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

The notable historian Eddie Izzard made a compelling argument about how the British Empire employed the cunning use of flags to bring people under their rule.