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Yup. Blade Runner 2049 good. Alien: Covenant bad. ;)

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[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

tl;dr: He regrets not directing it. Easy thing to say after the fact, but considering what he did with Alien: Covenant, there's no saying how good 2049 would have been with Scott at the helm.

I personally think 2049 was amazing largely due to the strength of Villeneuve's direction and script. Covenant tells me Scott's 2049 would most likely have been middling.

[–] bauhaus@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, the guy’s later career has been so hit-or-miss. His early work was incredible, but nowadays… not so much. The guy is coasting on his reputation.

I liked The Last Duel, but only because I have a lot of patience and was interested in the subject matter. It was a grueling and miserable story told 3 times from 3 perspectives, well made, well-acted, and well-directed, however it’s not a story many people really wanted or even needed to see. Most people hated it.

And, as has been mentioned Alien: Covenant. Ugh…

I wish we could have the old Ridley Scott back, but that guy is long gone.

[–] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Middling is generous. Scott can make a world. Like, he's reeeeeealy good at that. He excels at it. He loves doing it. He's said as much. That doesn't mean he can tell a story though. I like him best as the producer. Get the big ideas flowing, build the worlds, general plotlines, then let Villeneuve direct it. And do whatever needs to be done to make more Raised By Wolves. Please.

[–] ahimsabjorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yup. Agreed.

[–] Lord_Fluffington@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm happy Denis made 2049. I think Scotts version would have been interesting but not as good. I love both directors but Scott seems to be spreading himself too thin these days instead of properly focusing on one thing, like hes worried hes running out of time.

[–] ahimsabjorn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I’m looking forward to Napoleon. I agree maybe his ambition has led to a dilution of quality in his output. I liked the Duel as well.

[–] HikuNoir@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yer! I'm imagining the voice over..

[–] jesterraiin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both movies were cinematic masterpieces and very flawed, very boring watch. I have no idea who are the people who die in Covenant, because some of them appear only when killed, and I have zero idea where Noir Ken goes to and what for, because the plot resembles breadcrumbs drowned in orange pudding.

This out of mind: imagine to be Ridley Scott and saying "Imma let go the possibility to make a followup to the thing that is, essentially entirely mine, and instead I will focus on part of a franchise that is no longer mine and frankly, I don't even understand how far it went to".

Sounds about right.

[–] ahimsabjorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you are touching on the tension that exists between studio involvement and filmmakers, especially when the latter doesn’t have the pull to do whet they want or the project is somewhat under the radar and studio is giving more leash. Prey was great last year in large part because the director had a long leash to do what he wanted.

[–] jesterraiin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No one of us was there, we have no idea about the details and specifics of the project, so we can only guess how things went and who is "guilty" here.

What we know for sure is that we were given Alien:Covenant, possibly the worst part of the franchise, with practically no redeeming value, a movie that contradicted the lore of the universe and its own. And that it was directed by Scott.