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[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (18 children)

Could a told you that 2 years ago when Boris Johnson sabotaged the peace talks so his masters in DC could benefit from Russia remaining at war.

EDIT: I guess I don't understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can't see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately many LIBstances cowardly defederate from hexbear, so you can’t see their comments.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, I knew about that part but I think I assumed the defederation would stop all visibility in both directions, and I guess they can see us but are hiding from us, like, as you say, cowards.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They can talk about you behind your back, though I doubt they’re usually aware they’re doing it. Most people don’t know the gory details of federation and don’t pay much attention to which instances are defederated from which.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

I guess I don't understand completely Lemmy, because some lib is calling me a Russian troll under this comment and I can't see it unless I go to the original/non-hexbear post

I think that was common on Reddit, too.

It usually means they replied and blocked you, or deleted their comment later. (Or it got deleted by a mod)

It's people who have the mentality that the last word wins the argument, especially since anyone else who reads the comment chain would think you had nothing to say in response.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

The staggering scale of devastation that ensued when the West shut down diplomatic talks between Russia and Ukraine in March 2022 is truly mind-boggling. Thousands perished, countless others were injured or disfigured, while millions more had their futures irrevocably altered by this turn of events. This atrocious act ranks as one of the more egregious crimes against humanity in recent history.

[–] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just for a little bit of nuance, and I don’t tend to see eye to eye with .Hexbesr users but I swear I’m not here just to fight, but, as far as I’m aware, Zelensky can’t negotiate peace if there’s a concession of land. It’s in their government somewhere. He’d need the Ukrainian people to vote for and pass such a thing. Which, I don’t see happening. So perpetual war is what we get for a while I guess. Lovely.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would love to see a source for this. Even if this is true, it's probably possible to circumvent regulations like this during war time. If elections can be suspended, opposition political parties can be banned then this is like possible as well.

[–] Hathaway@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Here’s their constitution any peace deal must be ratified by the people.

Which, I’m not going to say there isn’t going to be eventual concessions, those people aren’t going to vote to become a Russian state for a long time. Too much division. There are legitimate Russia supporters and there are a ton of pro-Ukrainian citizens. I don’t see how you do that, with actual democracy, for quite some time. Someone has to start losing fairly decisively sadly. I don’t see that happening for a while. A lot of people are going to die yet.

Edit: article 156 more specifically as changing borders requires a constitutional change which requires the people to pass.

[–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago
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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Times magazine is a stalinist rag that's doing Putin's bidding by publicly undermining the war effort against the Soviet Union!

Don't believe me? Look who times celebrated as person of the year back in 1943 when the OG Dictator was conqueroring Ukraine to steal it from the heroes that liberated it and genocide the ukrainian freedom fighters!

[–] Quastamaza@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Still seeing communist ghosts everywhere, are we? Come on...

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago
[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They're doing a bit lol

But yeah I'm sure some of those upvotes are from libs genuinely taking it seriously. Poe's law and all that.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It is not that surprising, Arabic media has been reporting it for a while. It is just that corporate media in the West is finally catching up to reality.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

We're basically seeing a narrative collapse happening in real time.

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[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago (50 children)

If Russia comes out of this conflict with any gains at all that could be construed as "worth it" for their side it will be an open invitation to keep invasions on the table as a method to apply again in the near future.

So if the author's opinion is correct, then that would not be a good outcome. Do you think they're wrong?

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[–] OleoSaccharum@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

If only someone had warned them

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