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Link to this fucking nerd: https://twitter.com/BenBurgis/status/1686818661204721664

So Ana Kasparian from TYT did the classic: 'The left's focus on identity issues divides us! I'm done with it!' stupidpol after being called out for being a TERF and repeating typical transphobic right-wing rhetoric, which she constantly doubles down on.

This TYT LIB called Ben Burgerfucker maybe-later-honey decided to defend her, while proudly proclaiming himself to be "socially progressive" lenin-sure and "pro-gay & trans rights", yet thinks calling out a fellow LIB for spreading blatant transphobia is "identitarian scolding and purity-testing". hypersus Having believes means absolutely nothing to these idiots. Liberals will gladly defend TERFs as long as they're politically aligned with them.

It's always the same shit with these types of assholes. Conservatives do their culture wars, spread false narratives and implement laws criminalizing trans people's existence, and then when we defend ourselves and push back against the lies and bigotry that spreads even among supposed 'allies', all of a sudden we're the ones responsible for the culture wars and being "identitarian". agony Fuck off. And like any good class reductionist does, pretend like standing up for a minority and caring about their struggles is a distraction from class politics and fighting for better material conditions, maybe-later-kiddo just to hide the fact that you never really cared about said minority's struggles in the first place, and will gladly throw them under the bus because you don't care what happens to them. Also, the TYT are LIB, yet they'll conveniently pretend they care about improving material conditions. dont-laugh

And yes, in that video Kasparian used the term "identitarian" jesse-wtf to refer to intersectionality on the left. That term is literally used by Pan-European ethno-nationalists to describe their fash ideology, and she's trying to equate us with them. visible-disgust Another typical chud strategy. But apparently it's working for her audience, because even fucker Ben, the so called 'socially progressive' wanker is using that term now, and can't fathom how any of that is characteristic of someone shifting to the right, wonder-who-thats-for because like the typical LIB he is, he doesn't want to look in the mirror and admit he's full of shit, and that his social progressivism is just performative bullshittery.

Every single day I lose more faith in these so called 'allies'. desolate Fucking useless.

My rant is over. Gonna grab some more ganja to relax. rust-darkness stalin-smokin

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[-] arf_arf@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago
[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only one unhinged here is you. Coming in here to reply to a two week old shitpost of mine to make this about me instead of the subject of my post. That says more about your state of mind than it says about mine. Pathetic.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Heh, gottemsmuglord

Now please face the wall: countdown

[-] arf_arf@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

I'm very sorry. I interacted with this instance before I knew it was all about commie train conductors. I will leave you in peace.

[-] FuckYourselfEndless@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Ben is so fucking smug for someone who knows almost nothing but being an academic snob and pretending to be the logical adult in every room he somehow squeezes into.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"Identitarian" is literally a thing that nazis tried to rebrand themselves to. It was also a popular fascist community on Voat.

Anyone calling trans people identitarians for calling out transphobia is just doing "the lgbt people are the real fascists" in a crypto-nazi underhanded way.

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I hate it when libs(chuds at this point really) give condescending descriptions on strategy from the left when it always boils down to 'sacrifice the people of color and trans people! We can't save everyone!'

How about we put the wealthy white people last in the conversation and tell them their concerns and safety can wait until the next election?

[-] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Not to get weird about it, but also it never works. This is not a puyi vs Romanov situation. This is them just lying about being liberals. Their points are meaningless because they are meaningless. To take them seriously is an insult to everyone else.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And it always seems to escape them that the strategy they advocate pretty much describes the status quo.

[-] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Can't rock the boat when some people are trying to have brunch on the deck!

[-] charly4994@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Reminds me why "Allies" are shit and an article that helped me reach the conclusion as to why "Allies" are shit ages ago when we had the same cycle happen. We'll see the same cycle continue to happen into the future as well.

Ally is not a title you claim. Being an ally is an action. Being an ally is something you do, always. It is not a label, as much as it is an action of supporting a community. You do not simply get to make a statement and leave it at that. Being an ally is something that is given to you by the group that you are claiming allyship with. It is not a badge. It is not a get out free card. It does not prevent you from being problematic, incorrect, or an issue. An LGBT ally can still be homophobic, biphobic, or trans*phobic. An ally’s place is to listen and learn, while amplifying the voices of the group they are aligned with. An ally is to never speak for, above, or against, the group they are an ally for.

Being an ally is not something you should expect praise for. Being an ally is about working towards the greater good for all involved and helping a group of people be heard with their struggles. This is an action. Being an ally, once again, is not a badge to be worn and flashed about. Being an ally should be a thankless job, because being an ally means being a decent human being. While being an ally is not seen as the norm, this is how it should be treated. Allyship should be seen as the norm, since being an ally is about respecting humans and granting basic human rights, privileges, and dignities. Being an ally is a collaborative effort between the ally and the group they ally is allied with.

One should not expect to come into this expecting praise. An ally should be humble. An ally should be steadfast. This means that if an ally is called out for problematic behavior, they listen and learn. They do not become defensive because becoming defensive means you believe your words to be correct. Allyship is not meant to be a token to be given and taken either due to personal issues within the community. If there is an issue, the threat should not be that you are an ally and thus, “on our side”. There should be an apology and a learning experience. Humans, by nature, are imperfect beings and even the most supportive ally is prone to problematic behavior. Allies, by their very nature, are not part of the community they are supporting and thus, will never truly understand the experiences of the people they are supposed to be supporting.

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a great article on the subject of "allies". I fully agree with it. Thanks, comrade. heart-sickle

Also, data-laughing at the bit about Piers Morgan claiming to be a trans ally in 2014, after he was called out on his bullshit. Back when he still had to keep the mask-on I suppose.

The part about cis queer people flocking to defend him because they wanted to appease a so called "ally" is something that still happens quite frequently. desolate

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

emphasize universal material issues

There's that muh materialism leftist-baiting totem word again. It's like how expert-shapiro uses "logic" "reason" and "facts" in a sloppy way that sounds authoritative but is misusing the words for petty and selfish ends.

I used to assume it was just an occasional Hexbear thing to defend treats, but I'm seeing it more often elsewhere now. debord-tired

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

it's what's come to be known as "vulgar" materialism, basically people going into analysis half cocked because they only have a vague idea of what materialism is

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's an even more vulgar materialism that has the stench of Justin Roiland and his fandom on it that usually involves edgy reductionistic statements about how consciousness/love/insert-concept-here doesn't exist or "is just chemicals" which is implied to mean it is meaningless, unlike being a smug nihilistic asshole which apparently transcends such fetters.

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/125

[-] train@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Nihilists like this are kinda funny though. They’re so wrapped up in idealism that can’t even conceive of human consciousness as a material phenomena. So instead they conclude that it must not really exist.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

They're expecting a supernatural exception even while pretending they're not expecting a supernatural exception, because they are the smartest. very-intelligent

Same deal with "love is chemicals therefore love is meaningless" Roiland level brainworms

[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Repurposing something I wrote earlier:

Ben Burgis is a hack. He, along with Douglas Lain, used to be apart of Zero Books and made Youtube videos for that publishing house’s channel. They’re both Left Coms who complain about cancel culture and political correctness (Burgis was even on Rogan). They even made a few videos bashing Michael Parenti that appear to have been deleted from the Zero Books channel. Even one of Lain’s videos is an interview with Glenn Greenwald with a thumbnail that says “Flashback: Glenn Greenwald is not your enemy”, while Burgis actually released a book with the title, "Canceling Comedians While The World Burns".

[-] SkolShakedown@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

for some reason I feel like he was all over the place like 3-4 years ago, brought on as like the "smart book guy" for various Internet politics shows. absolute dullard who is actually dumber than he looks.

[-] Liberalism@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Why doesn't he set an example by talking about material issues instead of contributing to a discussion he thinks is all a waste of time

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