The choice to write it as a movie the Nazis would make about themselves backfires when Nazis watch it and think "I'd make this exact movie about myself".
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Here's a list of tons of leftist movies.
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this but unironically
The inherent danger of satire is that in order to make good satire, you have to be prepared for people to take it seriously
In Paulie V's case, that's basically his entire oeuvre
that's basically his entire oeuvre
No thanks, I'm holding out for the main course
I once showed a then-friend the 1970 movie adaptation of Catch-22. I was never going to convince him to read anything, and it's a good adaptation, so why not? Try to open his mind to something besides generic action movies. He didn't like it because there was too much talking and not enough bombing.
So your ex-friend is one of the non-Yossarian characters from the book?
Oh he was absolutely a Milo Minderbinder.
I need to learn how to buy eggs for five cents, sell them for three cents, and make a huge profit.
You just need a mart.
They wanted to see the cliffnotes version of the "Slaughterhouse 5" movie.
well paul, I must say you over acheived on that one, you fucking dork.
There's Q and A with Verhoven that expounds on people not getting the dual message.
Both Director's Commentaries are worth listening to too. There's one with the lead writer, and one with the lead actors.
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You got a sauce?
Starship Troopers
Yes- thank you I’ve seen the movie. I could not find where the quote came from.
I don't think Verhoeven actually said that. It's a joke because there are a bunch of people who do not understand that the movie is not celebrating fascism
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Don't be cute and make "inside joke" movies.
All movies should just be a person staring at a camera and reciting the moral using words no longer than 6 letters.
Come and See but it's a Marvel Cinematic Universe schlockfest and/or capeshitstravaganza
It's still a great movie, who cares if fascists like it. They're going to be fascist whether they see it or not. I don't really need to worry about people on twitter watching a movie wrong.
There's a lot of good art that bad people like
They're going to be fascist whether they see it or not.
Yeah I think this needs to be said more here. I'm all here for Hexbear media crit but the way some people talk here, you'd think we'd all be living in FALGSC if it weren't for a couple of Netflix shows turning everyone fash. Media has power, but I don't think we can blame the rise of Nazism on the content of Berlin vaudeville plays. Fascists will find media to cling too no matter how hard you try to edit it against their tastes, might as well just enjoy what you enjoy and focus on bashing them in the streets.
Poor phrasing on my part I guess... I dig the movie, second one wasn't that interesting but the third one ( I think) was pretty good.
The thought I had in my head was "make the movies, but if you're doing satire, understand that the people you're satirizing are probably going to think you're making something "for" them."
i actually think its fine for a movie to not be thuddingly obvious. in fact i would say that interpretation is inherent to the experience of art.
which is fine when the stakes of misinterpretation are not "fascism is cool."
the fascist interprets everything to mean "fascism is cool." that's the advantage of a totalizing worldview. the average internet fascist's media diet is cartoons for babies. you do not have to make art that caters to the stupidity of people you hate.
Also starship troopers is thuddingly obvious. To miss the satire, one has to be bordering on illiteracy.
It's not subtle though. Fascists are just idiots.
When I watched this movie as a teenager when it came out, I didn't get it.
It was just a standard big dumb military alien sci-fi action movie, had to learn about some things before picking up on the subtext (and the TEXT) on later rewatches.
Okay but hear me out we were also all dumb as teenagers.