As a Veteran who has PTSD and does not do well on 4th of July. I fought for people's freedom. Let them enjoy their fireworks and I'll stay on my farm fat away taking care of my turkeys who also hate fireworks.
Who had their freedom threatened?
Iraqis. Look up Saddam. Then look up AQ. There's a reason the local militias ended up working with us instead of against us.
Look up how many Iraqis were fucking killed by America and tell me how those hundreds of thousands of corpses are so fucking free now.
Not everyone can do that. A form of entrainment doesn't override the right for someone now to experience ptsd episodes in their own home.
There is being considerate of other's life experiences and then there is being unreasonable. There's so many things that can trigger PTSD in people, are you suggesting we stop doing anything that may trigger someone's trauma? Some people get triggers from benign things (my mother used to suffer traumatic flashbacks from certain smells such as wet mud, I get panic attacks if someone comes up behind me and touches me, I've met someone who gets triggered by cars backfiring or balloons popping). The point is that fireworks, mud, people touching you, and backfiring cars are a part of normal life. There are a TONNE of possible triggers, we couldn't possibly avoid every one of them for every sufferer out there. It isn't up to the rest of the world to change their lives to revolve around us and our issues. It's our own responsibility to try to cope and deal with our problems as best we can. It sucks. I say this as someone who suffers from severe PTSD/agoraphobia among a number of other mental health issues that I have been working on for many years. It's really unfair that this has happened to us but it's also not fair to expect everyone else in the neighbourhood to stop having fun because we are sadly conditioned to have a traumatic response to something.
I never really thought about farm animals and fireworks. How about chickens/horses/etc?
I heard about horses dying from the stress caused by fireworks. It can also be hurtful to wildlife.
Everyone commenting seems to be missing your point. Regardless how people feel about pets and fireworks, people should be aware that the 4th of July revelry can be extremely difficult for some veterans suffering from PTSD. There's one I know personally who was in combat in Iraq and saw really terrible things. You can tell talking to him it deeply effects him to this day. I think of it a lot when I hear illegal fireworks. At least with the official fireworks shows they know when to expect it. The illegal fireworks are just random out of the blue and could easily trigger a PTSD episode. Maybe the guy in the screenshot talking about patriotism should consider that.
Plenty of legal fireworks can do this too.
Pets and PTSD aside, I just get sick of hearing the goddamned things go off every 5 minutes until 3 am every fucking day from June thru August.
Be a good fucking neighbor for fuck's fucking sake. That's all anyone's asking for. Put on a good show on the 4th, clap while you make boom booms, and then stop. Some people have jobs and need sleep. Otherwise we might get cranky.
That is how we do it. One big night, see you back in a year.
I mean valid point about ptsd but also that's not what they're talking about.
Over here in Central Europe, the fourth of July is obviously not a thing. Our fireworks day is the night between the last and the first day of the year.
Over the last few years it got restriceted more and more and now many cities prohibit private fireworks completely and instead put on a professional show in a few places. It's so much better now in basically every aspect.
I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?
Firework use is prohibited where I live, but the sale is allowed. I hate it so damn much. Maybe I just getting old, but any kind of noise pollution drives me up the wall these day. I get pissed at my neighbour's Corvette that he insists of revving at 5am almost daily.
Oh I get that. I'm living in the city centre in one of Poland's major cities and assholes with motorbikes and sportscars are literally revving the engine ALL. THE. TIME.
And it's such a useless stuff, too. Like, yesterday at 2AM some asshat on a bike just kept burning the tires and revving the engine for 3 minutes straight.
And I had to wake up at 4AM for work, so obviously I'm pissed.
I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?
Same ones that handed them guns as a right, speaking as a US Citizen I really hate that right.
It's not so much the right itself, just the batshit crazy interpretation of it and our collective gun fetish culture. The nutjobs zero in on the "shall not be infringed" part completely ignoring the "well regulated" part that comes before that. *sigh*
Fireworks are illegal in my city but people light them off constantly for NYE, sports, 4th etc. I wish people respected the law, but it is also annoying to hear all the whining about scared fur babies.
It should be said, if you have a puppy or are getting a puppy. Socialize and habituate them to the sounds. Start with recordings of fireworks playing in another room, treat them when they react to the sounds. When they start wagging their tails and come to you when they hear it, make it more intense by increasing the volume or bringing then into the room. Keep practicing and proofing multiple days per week for months until your puppy happily comes to you when they hear loud bangs.
My puppy now wags his tail and joyfully comes to me when lightning strikes because he thinks it's a fun treat game. Absolutely way better than the alternative. It takes a few weeks with puppies, could take years for traumatized rescues and adults.
Fireworks are basically banned all over Ontario (Canada), because of the risk of forest fires. That goes for official and unofficial ones.
They are banned in many places in the states, too. Like all of Seattle. Doesn't stop people from doing them though because there are zero repercussions.
I don't really like lighting fireworks myself but even i am SO tired of the anual "PeOpLe WhO dO FiReWoRkS aRe AwFuLl bEcAuSe PeTs ArE ScArEd"
yeah, last year some chucklehead was firing off big fireworks and set my neighbor's roof on fire. it was around midnight and very scary. one's desire to see pretty bang bangs does not override other's desire to not lose all their shit to a fire.
Imagine having so much money you can buy a bunch of explosives and set em off for fun. Might as well just set the money on fire.
Yeah this 20 bucks worth of bottle rockets and Roman candles was really putting me into the next tax bracket over here.
You're downvoted, but I laughed. Imagine not being okay with someone else enjoying something you don't.
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