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[–] TheLobotomist@mander.xyz 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can someone explain please?

[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 187 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Spinning it at 1575.42 Million RPS would create a 1575.42 MHz radio wave. That specific frequency is used by the GPS - so by doing this you'd be interfering with the reception of GPS signals, which is the illegal act you'd go to jail for here.

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago

Thanks! TIL

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow thanks. Amazing the things that are supposed to be common knowledge

[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Definitely not common knowledge, I had to google to find out what that frequency was used for

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only people who would consider this common knowledge would be ham radio operators, who need to be licensed.

And even those people would probably just consider it common knowledge for people that are into ham radio.

[–] socsa@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is electrical engineering deletion. HAMS don't know shit anyway.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I recognize all those words are English, and yet I have no idea what you’re trying to say

[–] swirle13@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago
[–] socsa@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It wouldn't actually generate any useable electric fields without a coil of wire. Then you'd have a shitty magneto.

[–] TheLobotomist@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much!

[–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am going to assume this is an amendment to the original law. Because GPS didn't exist in 1934.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No it was there from the beginning, they were people of great forethought you see

[–] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The magnets spinning at that speed creates a frequency which can interfere with other radio signals.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago

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[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does it tho? It's basically an electric generator

[–] ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It wouldn't produce anything. For magnets to induce electricity they require a conductor and air isn't one, at least not a good enough one. Without electrical current, there's no voltage, nor constant or oscillating kind of current and therefore no radio frequencies. An electronic crystal and a handful of components could.

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No. Electromagnetic radiation. It doesn't need a conductor. Think of it as a loop antenna except instead of a coil of wire generating the field a permanent magnet does.

An electric field is produced by any moving magnet, all a nearby conductor does is provides easily movable electrons that can flow in response to it.

[–] ChapolinColoradoNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So are you saying that a fidget spinner equipped with a couple of magnets and spun fast enough to generate that radio frequency can interfere with a purpose built radio broadcasting antenna set for the same (or resonant) frequency? In other terms, it will be able to radiate enough mV over the air to disrupt it?

[–] nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

The fast enough part is key. To generate a signal on the AM broadcast band you would have to rotate it at 800 thousands rotations per second. As for being able to interfere, radio signals are often in the microvolt/m range by the time they reach the reciver, and a strong magnet can produce a few volts in a small (10-20 turns) coil just being moved by hand. If you somehow managed to get a magnet spining at the 1575 million rotations per second as in the meme (without it disintegrating on contact with air, or getting ripped apart, or turning the air to plasma), it would produce massive amounts of field, tens of thousands of volts per meter.

GPS signals are actually especially weak, as low as 0.3 uV/m.

[–] Bwaz@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electricity isn't the same as electromagnetic radiation. A varying magnetic field induces a varying electric field which radiates into space as an EM wave. See Maxwell's equations.

Please describe "as if I'm 5yo" how a radio broadcasting antenna works? Thanks! =)

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they require a conductor

Well I mean, he's holding it in his hand...

[–] Cannizzaro@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They mean a conducting medium like an electrolyte

[–] swab148@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's got what rotating magnets crave.

[–] douglasg14b@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not how that works...

The magnets aren't being moved across conductors to induce currents.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 year ago
  1. Double jail for violating numerous laws of physics.
[–] MonkeyFightinSnakes@lemy.lol 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did some quick math I think the magnets would be moving at about 200,000 mi/sec if you spun it that fast.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 38 points 1 year ago

what are u? the lightspeed police?

[–] Voli@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I want to see air ionize

[–] Bwaz@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure you'd only have to spin half that fast, you'd get two magnetic cycles per rotation. Though if you flipped one of the magnets (or better yet, removed one) you'd need the 1575+ million rotations but get a stronger radiation (I think, though not positive).