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Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 164 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Man, they're seething against the EU, totally pissed that the legislators worked against their abuse over developers and rubbed against their cash cow.

Apple is all about money and fucking the user, being no different from Meta or Google. All they have is shinier hardware.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 70 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Much worse than Google IMO, at least when it comes to fucking with rules made by EU. Google usually tries to appeal legally and if it doesn't work out, they do what they must. This Apple bulshittery with 3rd party app stores is a new one. Someone here in this thread said that the worst EU can do to companies breaking DMA is forcing them to sell the division. I would love for Apple to push EU that far.

[–] menemen@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Companies working against technical standards are basically working against society. And no one fights standards quite like Apple.

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[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'd argue they have better hardware. I'd love to have an iPhone running stock Android.

[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean the og comment literally said "all they have is shinier hardware"

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[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 13 points 9 months ago

Costs a fortune, hard to repair, no SD slot, no headphone jack, until recently could not be used with the chargers you have for everything else... At least for me it is a "no".

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 91 points 9 months ago (18 children)
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[–] ahnesampo@sopuli.xyz 86 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Third party browser & JavaScript engine + ability to install web apps on the Home screen = third party app store that doesn’t have to pay Apple’s fees.

When Apple could force everyone to use Apple’s WebKit, web apps didn’t matter as much as Apple could limit WebKit features to push people to the App Store. E.g. it took ages to get push notifications on WebKit. If Google and Mozilla are free to make whatever improvements to their browser engines, the need to have native apps on the phone decreases considerably.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's what I really want personally, the mobile web Steve Jobs envisioned. Glorious web apps without flash.

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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 64 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just why does anyone actually like that company?

I mean, if Google weren't shit, I'm sure Android would be more viable. They've can't even keep a consistent brand! They've gone from Google Play this and that, to migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 88 points 9 months ago (10 children)

migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube

If only there were other apps for podcasts on Android, it would be a viable operating system.

Google is kind of crap, but Android has a lot more built-in escape hatches than iOS does. People don't seem to use them as much as I'd hoped, but they're available.

[–] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 41 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I've been using Podcast Addict for years now. Dunno why people think they are bound to one thing when Android offers so many choices.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 53 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Android is more popular globally, the only place where it isn't true (AFAIK) is USA where the colour of the text bubble is important for reasons that defy logic.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fuck google buy a google pixel then put grapheneos on it

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Fuck Google

Give them money

Is there another option?

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Other options are Fairphone, Volla, Murena - or flashing "vanilla" custom ROM's on phones other than Pixels - or using Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Mobile, Mobian, Droidian or Sailfish OS.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Its kinda ironic that google pixel is the only phone with decent secirity hardware and an unlockablw bootloader.

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[–] lovesickoyster@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (17 children)

I moved from android to iphone 2 years ago. As soon as this piece of crap dies, I'm moving back to android.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 41 points 9 months ago

Aah, the security again...

Fuck this company

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.social 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Welp, this might be kbin for me. It’s the only circumstance I’ve really found a PWA necessary, although I’ve considered making PWAs of some online shops I frequent.

I suspect Apple is eliminating PWAs from safari in the EU just because they don’t want to be forced to allow 3rd party browsers to do the same. Let’s go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I’ve actually got a U.S. apple account on an iPhone bought in Japan, and living in the EU temporarily. It’ll be interesting to see how this is going to play out for me.

[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Apple really sucks hard! What a terrible company! 🤮🤮

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[–] Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

As a sysadmin and self-hoster this decision will absolutely make me drop Apple 150%. A clean and well implemented pwa was a big reason I have stuck with my iPhone 12 despite buying a pixel 7. I know there are options on Android but they all have issues either in ux or in ui that makes it very obvious I’m using a pwa.

[–] Kribensis@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

This is a Reddit-style circle jerk. A LOT of people like Apple, because even though they’re almost as remorseless as Amazon or Microsoft or Google when it comes to maximizing profits, they build good products, create new product categories, and they’ve been doing both of those things for 40 years.

Is this a sleazy thing to do? Yup. Is it as sleazy as Meta intentionally allowing its algorithm to push softcore kiddie porn to teen Instagram users? Nope. Not even in the same ballpark.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 112 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Ah, sounds like what-about-ism. Metas behavior doesn't exempt Apple from criticism. That logic tends to drive all of our standards and expectations down.

Theres room to criticize and expect more from all of these companies who are more than capable of doing better.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 24 points 9 months ago (21 children)

create new product categories

I'm wondering what they are. The Newton was kind of cool, but before it's time. mp3 players had been out for years before Apple jumped on the bandwagon. Same with phones. I hope this doesn't come across as snarky "fuck apple", I'm genuinely curious.

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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

Whoever buys apple shit will learn eventually. Or just go extinct.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Some services, like Facebook Gaming, use web apps as a way to get around the Apple App Store and its fees.

Smell coming out from this little hole here :)

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[–] eagles_fan@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 9 months ago

Another reason to keep hating apple. Fascists corporate america

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Queue the Apple dick riders defending their precious megacorp from being a POS company

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[–] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Holy shit if this is true it will be a game changer for me . Will be start looking android devices. Such a retrograde movement!

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The probably couldn't afford the development /s

But on the positive side, Apple is now forced to allow other app stores on all phones in the EU.

So that's probably a bigger win than this is a loss.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 19 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Depends on whether your app is distributed as a PWA or not. Mine is, so it kinda touches me personally.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?

Marketing and build quality goes a long way to making people feel like a company is good.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's this fabled build quality that other phones in the same price range don't have?

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