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I hate BS like this. And yes I’m biased because I got a double lung transplant. There are so many myths about organ donation. You basically have to have no brain activity and be stable.

What I really don’t get with these sort of theories is: If something as unethical and outlandish as harvesting organs from a healthy, living person were occurring like this, you really think they’re going to look at a little checkbox on your driver’s license and be like “ah dang no permission for evil today, guess this fucker gets to live”

The gold standard to declare brain death is nuclear medicine scan of brain blood circulation. This is done in addition to bedside brain death testing and even EEG if the family wants it all. We fucking KNOW if a patient has cerebral blood flow or not. This person is ridiculously incorrect.

The author knows this is true because that's how their brain got removed. 🙄

If I'm so injured they're not sure I'll make it, but they can save someone else with my organs, please do that.

Yeesh.

Why are there so many people with the desire to make up stupid fantasy stories? This is an obvious example, somebody had to invent this, and write it down, and it's a guarantee that a few idiots will pick this up and run with it, they'll repost it to multiple places, they'll add their own fantasy elements to it to make it even worse, and they too will find an audience.

It's painful to watch how much good is being destroyed by these assholes.

Is it just a snowflake in need of attention issue? Is it a mental disorder issue? It causes way too much damage in our society

You know, that's exactly right. When I had to have heart surgery, they put me out. In fact, I asked the doc if they could sedate me early cause I was anxious, and he said sure. I woke up with no heart, not eyes, no liver, you get it. How I've been able to survive since is a fucking miracle. I'm like a living zombie.

Give me back my organs, gubment!

These people are hilarious except for the part where they vote.

I’m not sure about other states, but the one I live in usually requires two brain death tests at least 6 hours apart and by different MDs that have to be credentialed to perform brain death testing. They also have(and usually perform) an apnea test where they turn the ventilator off for a set period of time and see if the patient initiates any breathes on their own as well as measuring blood gases before and after the procedure. Finally, they often use an injected nucleotide to measure blood flow to the brain, taking multiple images of several angles to confirm that there is no blood flowing to the brain.

If the person was on any paralytics, they have to be cleared from the system before testing can begin as well as all labs such as sodium, potassium, etc. and body temperature must be within normal parameters to begin.

If all those things are confirmed, the person is legally declared dead with an official time of death and only then can the legal next of kin be approached for organ donation.

Basically, this person is bonkers(as we all know) and organ donation is highly regulated.

Conspiracy theorists never have conspiracy theories against people and things they like lol.

Also, I hope whoever took the screenshot got their food from Uber Eats and the driver didn't fuck them over.

In a very rigid sense of being composed living tissue, yes - you are alive during organ donation in most cases. In the sense of being a human being or really even an organism... less so.

If I cut off my arm, the tissue would continue to metabolize for a few minutes (?) but I wouldn't exactly argue for its right to vote.

During this process their heart rate and blood pressure increase substantially.

Ok, but by how much? I'm a registered organ donor and am now concerned that, as I lay paralyzed and semi-conscious with no brain activity while my organs are butchered out of me, the nurse is then gonna be like, "oh no, his heart rate and blood pressure is increasing substantially!"

See, if you're gonna tear my organs out of me in my nightmare state, I want it to be a challenge! You gotta be fast and precise before my blood pressure and pulse explosively increase and I blow out cascades of blood, turning into a sanguineous Water Wiggle. It's gotta be like a game of Perfection that you either harvest everything in time, or my body explodes.

Well, he ain't completely wrong.

The "no brain activity" is based on trust that the doctor in question knows what the hell they're talking about and doesn't have a reason to lie, so it's usually recommended to get multiple independent opinions to avoid the possibility of malpractice.

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

And there have been reports of partial resistance to anaesthetics where patients were paralyzed/partially unconscious, yet felt the pain of operations.

Organ donation is the right thing to do when you're certain to die. However, as proven by the Alabama prison system recently, where there's profit to be made, abuse is the norm, not the exception.

To plays devil's advocate there are inconsistent standards of what constitutes dead many established decades ago and whereas some folks are obviously by any standard a potato others including by standards they themselves elect are defunct in ways that we understand far less eg not able to initiate breathing on their own or not capable of regaining consciousnesses. Due to our lack of complete understanding there have been cases in which people were taken off the ventilator to die and spontaneously started breathing. EG our original analysis was obviously incomplete.

What is experienced if anything by those near or even post official death is also an interesting open question. Experiments involving flooding pig heads dead for > 1 hour with oxygenated liquid have shown some sign of electrical activity in cells for instance. We don't even know what the subjective experience of people being operated on really is other than obviously NORMALLY they don't consciously form memories or have control of their faculties.

All of that said organ transplants save so many lives and it is a voluntary process. If you have any concerns whatsoever you ought to think hard about it and make your wishes expressly known rather than blanket shutting the door on saving those lives. I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family to make intelligent decisions if I'm not able to make them.

So is there any evidence of that insane claim, or...?

The author just didn't think of the right target group :D

This has all the hallmarks of a good "Creepypasta" story. It's based on something real, then inserts just a quantum of bullshit that would turn a good and real thing into a living nightmare.

Just enterfaining this insane theory. Surely a spike in heart rate and blood pressure would be short lived as a substantial loss of blood right? At what point would there be no more pain from shock? Shortly after a major organ is removed? Anyway, where do people come up with these crazy theories...

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What a joke that system is.

If had magic wand, everyone would have a single internet login, tied to their real identity. They can still post anonymously, but then it has to be anonymous, no username, no clout.

why tho. he doesn't get into the why

Somebody during the French revolution was interested in whether the guillotined heads would respond in some way, so he called them by name. Some did.