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[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 85 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I mean, by all means you have the right to take yourself out however you want, but to take others with you is what they call "a dick move".

I mean, I hate speaking ill of the dead, but fuck this guy.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

Hey, dead people are bastards, too.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

If you’re going to speak ill of any of them, it should probably be the guy who was responsible for the deaths of the other four; when somebody murders his family and then himself, we don’t generally treat that person as a victim.

[–] jkure2@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Going to the bottom of the atlantic in a pringles can is a pretty baller way to do it to yourself too.

Charging a quarter mil to do it to others is decidedly not baller 😞

[–] codus@leby.dev 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, this is the first time he died in the sub...

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't know what all these people are complaining about. You can easily live the rest of your entire life in an imploding sub.

[–] codus@leby.dev 24 points 2 years ago

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

- Terry Pratchett

[–] nerdd@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Rules are written in blood.

[–] teflocarbon@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apparently the Titanic caused all the maritime laws to be rewritten for vessels. It’s very ironic that 100 years later we’re likely going to have something similar for submersibles caused by an accident at the same location with a similar name.

[–] invno1@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

maybe, but because it happened in international waters maybe not. if it was in US coastal waters the Coast Guard would have had to approve the vessel. at best it will lead to registering the company in a country that doesn't care about maritime safety or laws, similar to having your head corporate office located at a post office box in ireland to avoid local corporate taxes.

[–] Kempeth@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

You could absolutely write a law that prohibits operating, advertising, selling, or having their point of embarkation inside country X for diving tours on non-certified vessels. Or something along these lines. I'm sure a lawyer could come up with something better.

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[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago

The exchange is worth repeating more fully. Excerpts:

Rob McCallum: “You are wanting to use a prototype un-classed technology in a very hostile place. As much as I appreciate entrepreneurship and innovation, you are potentially putting an entire industry at risk.”

Stockton Rush: “I know that our engineering focused, innovative approach flies in the face of the submersible orthodoxy, but that is the nature of innovation.”

Stockton Rush: “I have grown tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation and new entrants from entering their small existing market. Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cries of ‘you are going to kill someone’ way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult.”

Rob McCallum: “I think you are potentially placing yourself and your clients in a dangerous dynamic. Ironically, in your race to Titanic you are mirroring that famous catch cry 'she is unsinkable.' Having dived the Titanic, and having stood in a Coroners Court as a technical expert, it would be remiss of me not to bring this to your attention.”

(Emphasis mine)

[–] tldrbot@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

tl;dr:

Warnings over the safety of OceanGate's Titan submersible were repeatedly dismissed by the CEO of the company, email exchanges with a leading deep sea exploration specialist show. In messages seen by the BBC, Rob McCallum told OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush that he was potentially putting his clients at risk and urged him to stop using the sub until it had been classified by an independent body. Mr McCallum told the BBC that he repeatedly urged the company to seek certification for the Titan before using it for commercial tours. Mr Rush founded OceanGate in 2009 and the company offered customers a chance to experience deep sea travel, including to the wreck of the Titanic, on board Titan for a price of $250,000. Experts have questioned the safety of Titan and how private sector deep-sea expeditions are regulated.


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[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Every transport industry is heavily regulated with regards to safety for a reason. If you start a commercial enterprise on an untested vehicle you’re asking for trouble.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What could go wrong 13000 feet under the ocean?

[–] maybe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

13,000 feet into the ocean. Being under the ocean requires some digging, I think.

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[–] DougHolland@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago

The facts are the facts and it's all true, but Rob McCallum is cited nine times in the article, with no explanation of who he is unless you watch the video. For the record, he's this guy: https://www.eyos-expeditions.com/about/team/rob-mccallum/

BBC is usually top-notch, but that's a hell of a journalistic booboo.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At least he went down with the ~~ship~~ sub.

[–] em2@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

He just wanted the authentic experience.

He didn't get it. They were all killed instantly.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Does the strikethrough not appear to anyone else? To me it shows the ~s.

*On Jerboa for Lemmy.

[–] ccunix@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Jerboa too, and it is not rendering the strike through.

[–] nailbar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago

I just got an update for Jerboa, and it's rendering the strikethrough for me

[–] Kotton@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I installed newest update and can see the strikethough

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Shows as a strikethrough for me. Desktop.

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'm also on jerboa and don't see the strikethrough

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[–] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

I hate to say I'm glad he was the pilot, but I kinda am. If he was around right now he would be insufferable. Most likely going on a damage control tour talking about how it was a freak accident, it's not his companies fault and how they can't wait to resume tours.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 2 years ago

Safety regulations are wrote in blood.

[–] meldroc@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Safety schmafety, what could possibly go wrong?

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quick, I need to know this. Was he correct?

[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We are still waiting for his comment on the subject to surface.

[–] Sordid@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have a sinking feeling he might have made a mistake.

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

This is a pretty low joke, why don't you show some respect here?

I am sure he was under a lot of pressure to run a successful business. Traveling down to the bottom of the ocean is a titanic undertaking. If people started to complain about safety regulations, then that was just the tip of the iceberg and who knows what other obstacles could have cropped up along the way to sink his ship.

Edit: 2 people can't read

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Come on, stop with the jokes about billionaires, they are still good people (deep down)

[–] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I’ve got a sinking feeling that you might be wrong about that 😅

They didn't get to be billionaires by collapsing under pressure.

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Societal etiquette has really imploded in the last few years. Every time I look at social media, it's like I am seeing new depths of bad behavior. I hope someday we can all gain some perspective and stop taking on water so we can right this sinking ship.

[–] finthechat@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] lucidwielder@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just goes to show everyone that wealth =/= intelligence and while I feel sorry for the rest of the people and their families in there - I do think that if anyone should have died in that mess it was the CEO himself & certainly not some random tourist that he couldn't have cared less about besides their money and those tourist dollars.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

One of those if this isn't the consequences of my own actions moments

[–] iuseit@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago

I'm glad this guy is dead

[–] johnthedoe@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And killing a handful of billionaires. I hope their families send an army of lawyers at him

[–] lastrogue@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah he’s dead along with them. He was down there.

[–] RoboRay@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I think you mean "at his estate."

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