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There's a real problem with NSFW/adult spaces disappearing from the internet. (beehaw.org)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by balerion@beehaw.org to c/chat@beehaw.org
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CW: Brief child sexual abuse mention.

Is anyone else worried about this? Tumblr banned porn in 2018, and recently they've begun to restrict content even further. GFYCat banned porn. Imgur is also banning porn. Reddit doesn't allow you to use it to host images on NSFW subs, and I'll bet you anything they ban porn entirely within a year or so.

Where does that leave people who even just want to discuss adult content? Even if you think porn should disappear from society--and I would hardcore disagree with that--that's not the only thing that's getting caught up in this wave of censorship. On Tumblr, if you were sexually abused by an adult as a minor, you can no longer discuss this. Literally any reference to child sexual abuse by an adult is now banned on Tumblr. Even if you're recounting something that happened to you. Hell, even if it's fictional.

Where are you supposed to go now to discuss adult topics? Twitter is a fascist hellhole, but soon it's going to be one of your only options, at least social media-wise. And even outright porn is getting harder to find. Your options now are basically the mainstream porn sites and the shit you have to do deep googling for, with nothing in between.

I find this very worrying. Even the vilest, most no-redeeming-social-value porn doesn't deserve to be banished from the internet entirely. As long as someone gets something out of it and no one is harmed in its creation, porn has its place. But while decentralized alternatives are cropping up to replace social media, nobody seems to want to step up and make a place where we can all be horny without corporate influence.

Or maybe I'm just bitching that I don't know where to find the good porn on Mastodon. Who knows. Regardless, I think there's a worthwhile discussion to be had about the scouring of the internet of too risque for advertisers.

Edit: You know what, this person articulates it better than I ever could: https://devonprice.medium.com/mourning-porn-on-imgur-mourning-trans-kinky-history-64de2eaaa6ce

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[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Is anyone else worried about this? Tumblr banned porn in 2018, and recently they’ve begun to restrict content even further. GFYCat banned porn. Imgur is also banning porn. Reddit doesn’t allow you to use it to host images on NSFW subs, and I’ll bet you anything they ban porn entirely within a year or so.

yeah, in broad strokes. i don't think porn is at any risk of being completely eradicated—actually, i don't think it'll ever even really suffer. it's a big constant of the internet and too many people have an interest in it because most humans have an appreciation for sex.

what i do think is at risk is anything that isn't, for lack of better wording, "normie" and NSFW. queer NSFW spaces, weird porn communities, sex work, and other stuff like that? that's the stuff i'm really worried about; which gets disproportionately policed; and which doesn't have the institutional backing of porn websites or ordinary people to fight back when they're threatened.

sex workers, for example, have had it really bad since SESTA/FOSTA. Apple (and the payment processors behind them) have made it basically impossible for a website wanting to accommodate NSFW content to have an app. my main social media site of choice, Cohost, doesn't have one specifically because it would otherwise be subject to this issue, since it allows a lot of queer content, porn, and sex workers. that really sucks in a lot of ways! and unfortunately, i'm not sure what can really be done about that short of the exceptional step of building payment processors which aren't so puritanical.

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's a big part of what I'm worried about too. Normie shit will always exist, even if it has to go underground. But what about the rest of us? We should be allowed to enjoy being horny too, dammit. And sex workers should be allowed to make a living in peace.

CW: mentions of child sexual exploitation in this bitYou mention Cohost, but I actually left in disgust after they announced they were banning porn of underage fictional characters. I don't even really consume that content, but I will die on the hill that pretending fictional characters have the same rights as real people is puritanical nonsense. Drawing or writing any porn, no matter how morally reprehensible the content, harms no one (assuming you aren't referencing real people in your art). Even indie sites that should really know better fall prey to this nonsense. And comparing sexualizing heavily stylized pixel characters to real-world child sexual abuse is incredibly insulting to survivors.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

You mention Cohost, but I actually left in disgust after they announced they were banning porn of underage fictional characters. I don’t even really consume that content, but I will die on the hill that pretending fictional characters have the same rights as real people is puritanical nonsense.

funny enough they're going through this row again because they revised their guidelines today and they now allow for non-human, underage porn ("cub art", for the furries in the audience) and a lot of people are really mad they're even allowing that. hilariously, i can now draw on my experience moderating this place to explain to people how hard it is to write rules like that and why i appreciate them trying to allow some of that content with coherent rules, instead of just blanket banning it and being done.

also as an aside, you can use spoilers in markdown to hide the mentions of sexual exploitation. lemmy doesn't use markdown, but commonmark, so they're done like this here:

hidden or nsfw stuffa bunch of spoilers here

on here.

hidden or nsfw stuffwoo!

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, thank you, that's very useful! I'll edit.

And lol. I find it incredibly silly that people get so worked up over shit that's literally not real, especially people who would otherwise consider themselves sex-positive and don't realize they've ingested Christian "impure thoughts are bad even though they don't hurt anyone" propaganda.

[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, thank you, that’s very useful! I’ll edit.

oh oops, i ambiguously did the formatting, so your heading is the whole thing you tried to spoil. here's a better formatting of it:

::: [heading]
[spoiled stuff, one space after the part you want to be the heading]
:::
[-] gingerrich@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

It does sound like people are more concerned about 'Free' porn disappearing more than all porn imo.

There's still a tonne out there for all sorts of kinks. You just have to pay for it (A bit like the old days).

[-] jursed@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Yup my first comment here will be about porn.

My worry with the increasing hostility against pornography is that queer content is automatically considered as "pornographic".

Also who knows how long that'll last with MasterCard, PayPal, Kofi and other payment processing being against porn and using their influence so its less profitable, thus also harming sex workers.

[-] catshit_dogfart@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Well, guess my first comment on this site is going to be about porn.

My thinking, beyond any of it, is that pornography drives a lot of media. If you can't get porn on it, then it's not going to be as popular. Imgur is big enough that it doesn't need porn, but I'd be interested to see some statistics from before and after that policy change. Tumblr, well I'm pretty sure 75% of Tumblr's usage was porn, ban that and self-destruct. GFYCat never seemed like a good place for porn anyway, so I'm not sure what to think about that.

So, what I mean is these platforms are cutting off a portion of their userbase. In this respect I'm less concerned about accessibility to pornography, but the engagement on the platform.

 

Also, indeed I have observed things migrating to paid services. Lot of things are moving that way, gotta pay another subscription (and have that all over your credit card statement).

[-] Griseowulfin@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I heard a joke when I was younger. "The internet is 99% porn, if we got rid of it, the only site left would be bringbackporn.com"

[-] Billy_Gnosis@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

"And even outright porn is getting harder to find"

Haha. What? It's never been easier to access free porn since the Internet began. There are tons of free porn sites on the net. Why do you need social media sites for that kind of content? Don't those sites have their own forums and comment sections too?

[-] balerion@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Do you know how goddamn hard it is to find anything more specific than "straight, BDSM" on those websites? There's barely any way to filter or save shit, and certainly not both at once. And god forbid you want to create porn and post it yourself, especially of any variety other than "two real people having sex on video." Plus there's no equivalent to the common thing on Twitter/Tumblr where people will collaborate on porn, often by one person giving another a prompt. Also, their comments and forums are dogshit, and allow you minimal curation of your identity and interactions. You can no longer, say, have a blog that sometimes posts porn and other times posts different things.

Basically, if you prefer your interaction with porn to be anything other than "watch a video of two real people fucking," the internet sucks right now.

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