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I've used a US-QWERTY keyboard layout my entire life. I've seen other layouts that do things like reduce the size of the enter/backspace keys, move the pipe operator (|) and can't wrap my head around how I would code on those.

What are your experiences? Are there any layouts that you prefer for coding over US English? Are there any symbols that you have a hard time reaching ($ for example)?

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[–] brie@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Used US and JP qwerty, both are fine after a while, but switching can be annoying (mostly I mix up whether " or @ is Shift-2).

The one thing I hate is the fragmentation of the bottom left cluster. I started out on keyboards with Ctrl Fn Super Alt, but now I much prefer Fn Ctrl Alt Super.

[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

If I have to work on an American QUERTY keyboard, I have to look for each and every special character. Because our QWERTZ-keyboard has them in other places to make space for all the interesting characters an American keyboard simply fails to offer.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As a German I have to admit that the ANSI US layout is the one American standard that's superior to the European ones. That said, I still need some Umlaute and accented letters from time to time, which is why I use the EurKEY layout, which adds all of those keys back and many morek, most of them accessible without having to use a dead key.

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[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

I'm columnar-ortho now, but for standard it's ISO or bust. You can keep your shitty enter key and your overly long shift key

[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

I can't even wrap my mind around people who use 60% keyboards and use a bunch of extra function keys let alone anything more drastic

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I've been on Norwegian Dvorak since 2002 or so.

Biggest problem I've had is with keyboards and OS'es (cough 🍎) that don't support the Insert key, because (a) I cut my teeth on the DOS editor and (b) XCV are all over the place on this layout.

I will always use a proper full size keyboard if at all possible. Those 60% and whatnot are not for me (it's bad enough when they move the arrow keys).

Oh, and the languages insisting on ${} characters are a pain on any non US layout.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

ABNT2 here, this layout is necessary due to many brazilian portuguese words containing accents. Plus, having ç as a separate key is great. For coding, the \ | key is left to Z and the : ; key is near the right shift, with brackets and curly braces usually around Enter, while ' " is left to 1. It's very good for programming, I'd say.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The British want a stupid as fuck they moved the tilde into a weird spot and you're basically can't do it

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[–] brunofin@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I used to use the Brazilian ABNT-2 layout, it's pretty much just a US layout with accent keys that activate like a second layer for some specific keys to display specific Portuguese language characters such as ç á à â ã é è etc. It's surprisingly ok for programming as it doesn't get in the way because you have special keys to activate the 2nd layer and most of them you need to spread shift + something in order to activate them. I'd say it's a good layout.

[–] wiillou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I use Coleman DH and symbols have never been an issue because I just put them on another layer 😅

[–] Blaberus_sp@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I'm using a Dygma Raise split keyboard with Dvorak as my main layer. The thumb clusters are great for putting difficult to reach keys in more comfortable positions. Second layer has NumPad, Directionals and Functions. Still trying to decide how to make the best use of my other layers.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I’m having to use US keyboard layout in Oz and not enjoying the half-height Return key very much.

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pro tip for fellow yuropean devs: you can change the layout, and learn it easily.

Pro tip for fellow ISO enjoyers living in yurop: a keyboard on Amazon costs 20$. If you're using a laptop you can order one from the UK, it's mostly the same, except beware of the mental asylum layouts that move this | key to the bottom left. You can also buy a laptop from amazon.com if you filter by "global shipping". Power bricks always work with 110/220/240, the cable that goes into the plug is easily exchangeable for 10$.

Some premium brands let you choose the layout. E.g. xmg, slimbook.

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[–] pkill@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

I'm using a sligntly modified Niro layou (in a way that makes it more ergonomic with vim). Though I might need to adjust it since lately I began feeling disproportionate strain on my right ring finger.

[–] simonced@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

Using the JIS layout. One thing I miss from ANSI is the single and double quotes on my right pinky.(on the same key) Other than that, JIS is a nice layout to do programing with.

[–] neonred@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Colemak-DH on column staggered ortholinear keyboard. Look.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

ANSI all the way. I get irrationally angry about any other layout 😡

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