this post was submitted on 18 Jan 2024
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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This is an example of a good cop. Notice how they are no longer a cop. That’s because they were a good cop. A bad apple spoils the bunch, and cops are bad apples. They have no room for good apples.

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Edwin Raymond, whistleblower & former lieutenant in the New York Police Department, to discuss his recent book An Inconvenient Cop: My Fight To Change Policing In America, co-authored with Jon Sternfeld.

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

If only they had listened to the centuries of everyone telling them that.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is it really shocking to literally anyone?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think we should gather up all of these former cops that were forced out of their jobs because they tried to be good cops and put them in charge of all police.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hey, not so fast there. Just because they weren’t cool with bigotry doesn’t mean they weren’t shitty for other reasons. I’d like some vetting before they get back to work. Especially if they’re going to be in charge of anything. 

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Still probably a step up from what there is now. I'd be happy with just a "thinks it's ok to change things about the police even if they don't want to change", even if that person had some other problematic beliefs. Being ok with change is the first step to recognizing and getting past problematic beliefs, but it seems like police leadership is instead full of people who mainly think "it's us vs them" and "When challenged, double down. What are they going to do, call you on your other line to ask you to deal with you?"

You are right though. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" was always a stupid saying.

[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I am shocked that anyone thought there wasn't rampant racism in any police force. And they train black cops to be self hating bigots for a double down on that ideology.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It's not shocking.