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Going through the spell list, there's an awful lot of spells that are incredibly funny in the context of bedroom pastimes, here, let's assume it's heroism and Bear's Endurance.

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[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 94 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Konsi listening to this conversation from the kitchen.

[–] Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 11 months ago
[–] Zorque@kbin.social 48 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder why people assume that people with muscle can only ever use brute force.

It's entirely possible to moderate muscle control for gentleness, even if those muscles are powerful.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's fair, although Razira does everything at full paladin all the time.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Isn't Charisma the Paladin's main stat, though? :D

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Depends on what edition this is. 3e paladins were full MAD.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

These characters are from a real 5e campaign, at this point of time in the comic, they're level 9, and everyone is monoclassed (as 5e is actually intended to be played)

  • Konsi - Cleric (trickery) (this is my PC, which is why the comics mostly focus on her.)
  • Toron - Rogue (swashbuckler)
  • Mystery - Warlock (Fey patron (now), Tome)
  • Sand - Monk (Open Hand, but he changed to Astral Self a bit later)
  • Faelys - Staff of Power (also Wizard/Evoker)

Razira is an NPC sidekick built using the sidekick rules, with a little bit of paladin sprinkled in for flavour.

[–] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Charisma is charm, not physical finesse.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 13 points 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure "physical finesse" is usually covered by Dexterity :)

Anyway, here's Razira's Attributes (She was originally constructed with the sidekick rules, but we keep giving her stuff and she's getting quite powerful.)

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Technically, if you look at what Charisma rolls do in practice, it's more akin to Constitution but for your mind. I personally like to use Constitution as the physical prettiness score and Charisma as the "force of will" stat.

I know that's counterintuitive as hell, but it's what the rules lead me to believe. You don't roll Int/Wis to resist having your soul rent asunder, after all. Besides, I think this lines up with how attractiveness works irl. I've met plenty of physically attractive people who become absolutely repulsive when you just get to know them the tiniest bit.

[–] PopMyCop@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's weird. Wisdom has always been the resistance roll for soul stuff in my memory, except for its weird foray into the physical with perception checks.

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it's a 5e thing. I only got into DnD in 4e when I was a kid, so maybe that was the transition point for that. As long as I have been playing, wisdom was for avoiding/deflecting psychic effects whereas Charisma was for withstanding effects that can just hit you with no chance of escape. It's analogous to making dex save to dodge a poison dart trap, but having to make a Con save to resist the poison itself.

The way I have been exposed to it, you use Intelligence to see through an illusion, Wisdom to avoid being charmed, and Charisma to avoid being NPCified into a mindless thrall of the big bad.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm afraid this isn't really accurate either. Most of the saves to avoid "being NPCified" (e.g. Vampire charm, Aboleth mind control, dominate person) are wisdom saves.

In 5e, it's safe to assume the default mental save is Wisdom. 90% of mental save effects target Wisdom, and if you're wondering which mental stat to buy resilience for, Wisdom is a clear winner.

If it's a "figure something out" effect or a contest of intelligence, it'll often an INT test, but those are rare. Good examples are piercing illusions, or things like trying to mentally force someone out of your minds (the detect thoughts intelligence contest)

Charisma tends to also be rare, but which things are CHA saves are all over the place, almost arbitrary. Effects that require a mental save but would have a physically debilitating effect (such as divine word, or the jumpscare attack of ghosts) are sometimes Charisma, and those are the most common appearances of it. Feeblemind, which drains your intelligence, is a charisma save for some weird reason. Zone of Truth is a charisma save...

It's not really well defined metaphysically, and I'm not sure there's any directed intention in the design plan here (at least not that I can tell.) - Charisma saves do commonly mean the effect is going to be really bad though...

[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not really well defined metaphysically, and I'm not sure there's any directed intention in the design plan here (at least not that I can tell.) -

I have been thinking about exactly this, because the more I think about it the more I wonder why all the DMs I've played with have come to the exact same conclusions when they have to improvise something that doesn't follow a monster stat block or a spell description. I think it comes down to how in Planescape when you are astral projecting, you substitute your Str for Int, Dex for Wis, and Con for Cha.

For the record, I had no idea that this was a 2nd edition thing. I thought that this was just how Astral Projection worked! So, it seems that the DMs and who showed me how DnD is done were old-school players who internalized this into a broader design philosophy, which became a teaching I learned as obvious fact.

I had to do a lot of googling to try and find where this came from, and I'm not 100% sure I am right, but it is pretty frustrating that the only design guidance I had for this doesn't even come from the text itself.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Throughout all of DnD (although 4e is a bit of an exception to this) - the creators have very much relied on something termed the "Friendly Uncle" method of teaching the game.

That is, you don't really learn to play DnD by opening the rulebooks and reading them end-to-end, you join a campaign with someone experienced (the "friendly uncle"), and they teach you the game as you go. The books serve as a sort of "reference" for common rules and making ideas, but most of your roleplaying experience comes from others.

As such, most groups and players of DnD have lots of conventions and house rules that they may not even realize are house rules. They have explanations for things that aren't in the core books, and they have rules and explanations from older editions - which often defined things in more detail. So much of the game is received wisdom from other players, and derives from someone "making it up" a decade ago when they couldn't find or didn't know an answer.


In one regard this is pretty good, the game is a living entity, constantly evolving, and allowing players with vastly different preferences to enjoy what is (ostensibly) the "same" game.

In the other regard, it's really frustrating when it comes to actually pinning down the mechanics or understanding of anything.

[–] SoloRunStudio@dice.camp 2 points 11 months ago

@ahdok @ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling this is a really smart observation.

I suppose it's better to say that for as long as I have been playing, the stats for "save or die" saving throws were either Constitution or Charisma. In fairness, these rolls were rare, but I have been trained that when the DM says "Make a Charisma saving throw" my bowels automatically loosen while I dig out my next character sheet from my folder.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

I just meant as opposed to strength, another main stat.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're telling me your muscles aren't always at 100%?

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My muscles are always at 100%! It's just sometimes that 100% is smaller ;)

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 4 points 11 months ago

It happens to all of us occasionally.

[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 32 points 11 months ago

Whether you're preparing magic for war or the bedroom, always have protection ready. And perhaps a few healing spells if you think it's gonna get rough.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

We getting more Konsi content again? Hell yeah

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was wondering if it was enlarge/reduce and which one.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could be enhance ability: bears endurance

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey! that resembles the description text! :D

But in all honestly, there's a lot of good picks :)

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Oopsies, I can't read haha!

[–] reshuffle6655@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

I'm so glad these are back!

[–] Shivirani@ttrpg.network 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Created an account to point out that Hafthor Bjornsson (played the mountain in Game of Thrones, world's strongest man at least once) has a wife who looks tiny next to him, and isn't dead.

[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think Toron was mostly basing his remarks off his own experiences with Razira. She's generally a bit boisterous and rough with other members of the party because they're "hardy adventurers" and... throwing a guy across the room to get him out of danger relies more on speed than gentleness.

Also, while he acts suave, he really has no idea what he's talking about. Every romantic entanglement he's had has turned out trying to kill him before it came to the bedroom... and that's happened a surprisingly large number of times.

Several of them are still chasing the party trying to assassinate us...

[–] savedbythezsh@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

Whoa, just looked them up. That's an unimaginable size difference. She must be like a doll to him...

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 11 months ago

Awwwww......

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ahdok@ttrpg.network 5 points 11 months ago

Don't need a spell for that...