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it's an eyesore to use the app with the down vote icons since my instance disabled them. when you click on them they work but obviously it doesn't actually do anything (the animation works but the down vote isn't registered since they're off on the instance)

it would be nice to hide them altogether like in eternity for lemmy.

thanks :3

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[โ€“] ben_dover@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

is there a way for 3rd party clients to know whether it's disabled, can the info be fetched via the api?

i'm pretty sure there is since i know eternity for lemmy doesn't show me the downvote button when i'm logged in.

(i believe it's: https://join-lemmy.org/api/interfaces/LocalSite.html#enable_downvotes)

[โ€“] Toes@ani.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is your instance actually removing them or is it just hidden in the css?

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it removes it altogether. its a lemmy option.

[โ€“] Toes@ani.social 2 points 10 months ago

That's cool

[โ€“] mill_city@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would be great if it had a general prohibition symbol over it, instead of being removed.

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i think an option would be nice but the problem is that it's just wasted space in my case because it's not necessary on my instance.

this is what it looks like in the ui on my instance:

(not meaning to argue; just explaining! :))

[โ€“] mill_city@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah, I see. I didn't realize those instances actually blocked down votes for posts in other instances as well.

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah it still works like i think other instances can downvote people on instances with it disabled; it just won't be shown to the people on those instances (it never goes below 1)

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Good way to get bad content, honestly, bit of a shame to see that from blahaj

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

don't understand what you mean? the content is the same as any other lemmy instance that federates? it doesn't stop inter instance federation. it's an instance primarily marginalised people that don't care about downvoting.

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It inhibits your instance from filtering content at all, and prevents your instance-native content from self filtering before reaching larger feeds.

It also demolishes your ability to natively deal with problem comments without mod or admin intervention, which adds more work to moderation while also making power mods more powerful.

Lemmy is aping the reddit design, which has downvotes built into how the design inherently filters content. Removing the user driven content filter without redesigning the way the site works usually just makes problems. Like if mastodon removed retweets, or something.

The analogy isnt perfect, but its like a go cart without breaks. Normally, anyone can tap the gas or break pedal once each, to speed up or slow down a post or comment. A shitty go cart (both shit as in poor quality and shit as in bad/bigoted/counter community) gets its break slammed by multiple people, and stops in its tracks. Great stuff gets the gas slammed and flies forward.

But without the break, users cant slow anything down, just hope no one else speeds it up or that it gets pulled from the track. This makes brigades easier, absent mods more noticable, and bad faith mods harder to push back against from the community.

These issues only really metasticize if a larger percent of instances block downvotes. But it will hamper content coming out of bahaj if the instance population starts to really grow.

[โ€“] BottomTierJannie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is only true if you consider popularity to be the end-all determinant of quality content. Plenty of shit gets downvoted solely because people disagree with it.

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The reddit design is that popularity is the end all determinant of quality content. If you didnt want that, you shouldnt be using a reddit clone.

Thats why there are subreddits, that you can make whenever you like. So you can make a little pocket for the people who agree with your content.

Obviously things get downvoted because people disagree with it, that is how it was designed to work. That is the function of this type of social media. The quality is inherently tied to if it is something the community agrees with.

This complaint makes genuinely no sense. People upvote things they agree with, and downvote what they dont. Acting like thats some big shock is insane. Acting like thats some evil hidden use of downvotes means you dont understand the website youre posting on.

[โ€“] BottomTierJannie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you didnt want that, you shouldnt be using a reddit clone.

Yeah, because things like the formatting of content and general site navigation are entirely irrelevant.

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy is a federated reddit clone dude, its not just the front page format

[โ€“] BottomTierJannie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know what lemmy is you dumbass.

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you? Because your comment about formatting implies you dont.

If all I like about a car is its color and the seat upholstery I dont go and copy its engine.

[โ€“] BottomTierJannie@sh.itjust.works -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, fuck off you stupid rat

[โ€“] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 0 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I see why you dont like downvotes