We need the media to start taking this shit seriously and stop "both sidsing" shit like the insurrection or the fourteenth amendment.
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Yeah but the Biden crime family!
I'm not sure I've ever heard any major media outlet say "the Trump crime family" even though that's literally what those 5 traitors are. Not to mention the INCREDIBLE nepotism and grift of putting his kids in the WH.
Imagine Fox News's heads exploding if Hunter Biden (assuming no criminal past, which is generous comparing with Trump spawn) was an appointment in Biden's government.
That's because NPR is too pussy, and all the other outlets are super far right. Overton Window is a B.
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I'm tempted to buy argument space in the upcoming election booklet and attack my Republican representative and drop "Trump Crime Family" repeatedly. Maybe a super sarcastic one in support and then a more serious one against.
Crime family? I thought he couldn’t speak a sentence properly? Which is it?
He's just faking it! Old Man Joe really pulls all the strings! He's both extremely cunning and hopelessly inept! Simultaneously at the same time!
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Both sides it is better for views. Which is better for sponsors. In turn keeping the debate going and keep the fire going. They have zero interest in taking any sides. It's bad for business.
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as a german I'm not that up to date but is it still possible that this orange, wig wearing cunt can run for presidency?
We're working on that. So far 2 states (Colorado and Maine, which have 10 and 4 electoral college votes respectively out of a total of 538) have taken Trump off their election ballots, but this will likely go to the supreme court, of which 3 out of 9 judges were appointed by Trump.
Despite 3 of the judges being appointed by Trump, they have made it clear that they won't do his bidding, so far, so there is hope that he won't be eligible.
I'm disappointed he's not already in prison.
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He will likely be allowed to run because so much of the country supports him, there is some legal gray area (he has not been convicted), and the courts are "conservative." I personally think he will win because Biden is getting even worse at speeches, much of the population doesn't think their personal lives improved under Biden, and a lot of people are upset for how Biden has/is handling the Israel war.
A lot of things could happen before the election that would hurt Biden as well. A recession, expansion of Israel war, and losses in Ukraine are possibilities that could hurt Biden. I don't think anything could hurt Trump. I think he could win the election from prison. Trump voters will eagerly buy any conspiracy theory to keep supporting Trump, and they don't care about democracy or human rights. Democrat and Biden voters are much more critical and fickle.
"He hasn't been convicted of insurrection" isn't a legal gray area, that's just misdirection by his supporters. Just like most other legal proceedings this one isn't dependent on the result of other legal proceedings. The supreme court will decide for themselves whether he was "involved in insurrection" - the law here doesn't depend on him being previously convicted of "insurrection", a different charge which has a much higher legal bar.
There's overwhelming evidence that he was "involved" in this insurrection so he'll almost certainly be held accountable. But whether the supreme court decides to disqualify him depends mostly on their interpretation of the clause naming the offices which he can be banned from. Given that the supreme court are republicans will they rule that "public office" does or doesn't include the presidency since it isn't named explicitly in the clause?
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Yes, and he's just as popular with his voters as he was in 2020, if not more, because they're sympathetic to his claims that all the charges against him were politically motivated.
The 14th amendment hasn't been tested to anywhere near this extent ever, so the Supreme Court is likely to rule in his favor because there haven't been any convictions yet and we have literally nothing to use as precident (and because he personally appointed 1/3 of the justices)
That will likely come down to a decision by our supreme Court, who haven't been known for making very reasonable (or ethical, or logically consistent) decisions as of late.
My personal hunch is he'll be allowed to run. Happy to be surprised, though.
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everything here has devolved into a state by state issue with state trumping federal laws
it depends on who each individual state decides to put on the ballot to allow the people to vote for
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“We all know who Donald Trump is. The question is: Who are we?”
I posted the following elsewhere, just before I read that he said this, as I was thinking about a quote I heard earlier from DL Hughley regarding Trump's election:
“America saw exactly who it was last night… Exactly who we are,” Hughley said. “I think Obama was what we aspire to be, Trump and his supporters are who we are.”
The Democrats' problem is that they don't address who we are. They offer only aspirations. Who are we (beyond the racists and fascists Trump and his supporters represent)? Broke. Sick. Overworked. Exploited. Isolated. Scared. He wants us to vote based on hope that we can push back fascism. Hope that we can win our rights back. He wants us to vote based on some dream of democracy I can't say I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. Give me someone to vote for who's going to meet us where we are.
Obama was practically the platonic ideal of the perfect neoliberal president. He said all the right words, checked all the right boxes, and effortlessly combined warmth and charm with an air of stern authority. He was, in all likelihood, the best neoliberal president we will ever get. Neoliberalism is clearly not enough.
It's time for the Democratic party to stop pretending they can serve the elites while paying lip service to the proles. In a rational world, the proles would have no option. Democrats are not their friends, but they will never be as bad as Republicans. But it's not a rational world, and fascism thrives with the disaffected masses. When faced with the choice between "bad" and "worse", "worse" is far more attractive than it should be.
It's crazy to me that people actually consider it a choice.
Take everything that you dislike about Biden and then apply it all to Trump and then add on fascism and destruction of democracy on top of it.
There's nothing to gain there, would Trump do any better with Israel? Hell no. We all know where he stands, in any way he can personally benefit from it at the cost of literally anyone else he will.
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Don’t blame me, I voted for the email lady.
The Democrats still don't get it.
"We're not Trump" isn't enough, no matter how bad Trump is.
There are no people on the fence between voting Biden or voting Trump anymore. The distance between the camps is too great, every voter is already entrenched in one of the 2 camps.
Dems need to target the people on the fence between voting Dem and not voting at all. The people who are frustrated by the lack of progress, the lack of a real choice that will change the status quo, and the slow decline of their standard of living while the rich get richer. If they ran with a more radical leftist candidate and program, they might even convince a few Trump voters who just want things to change, no matter what direction, cause the current status quo sucks.
They won't lose any core voters or centrists by moving to the left, cause those people know that the alternative is right-wing fascism. But there's a huge voting pool of people who won't stand in line for hours to vote for a candidate who has done nothing and will continue to do nothing for them, while their standard of life slowly deteriorates.
Dems need to target the people on the fence between voting Dem and not voting at all.
Believe it or not, I’d say that’s who this message is targeted at. It’s for the people saying “Biden isn’t the exact candidate I want, so I’m not going to vote this time to teach Dems a lesson. Then they’ll have to run the exact candidate I want next time.” The message is that you should know that strategy will get you Trump, and you should know by now how that will go.
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"We're not Trump" isn't enough, no matter how bad Trump is.
As someone with lots of trans and LGBT+ people in my chosen family, it abso-fucking-lutely enough. When the options are compromising and voting for the establishment center-right candidate who will protect those I love and the possibility of a fascist coming to power who wants to destroy them, it's not even a question on whether it's good enough.
People have to stop acting like perfect is the opposite of good when the only other alternative is an out of control dumpster fire.
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We, as voting citizens, are left to believe Democrats don't want to move left. That is the only reason they won't adopt progressive policies. It's not because people wouldn't vote for them. It's exemplified by Bidens voting record. I'm not saying they should have picked someone with a better record. I'm saying, outside a handful of people, all of their voting records are shite when you start looking at them. From that handful they are either, 100 year old jesus(bernie) or a bunch of stinkers. Sure, they could pull from the younger generation but let's face it; the Democratic party structure favors seniority.
One thing is for sure neither party is going to willingly give up power and we as americans instinctually know the only way to get it back is to take it.
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They'll sacrifice their lives for a person who is demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just gets more loser-y, folks, okay... If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant's legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, "Wow! Just think - in a couple years I'll be dating you."
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID and it continues to kill 4 years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted "miss teen" pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, "trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew."
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin's infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the "misinformation conversation" originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members "losers" and "suckers" and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly "bone spurs" excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
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Fuckin do something about it. Lock his ass up in the name of homeland security.
Luckily, and despite what Trump keeps whining about, the POTUS can't have people locked up. The courts are doing their job, as they should in a democracy. Calling for the POTUS to ignore the law, like a tyrant, in order to protect the democracy from tyranny is not a good look.
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