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[-] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

why aren't politicians helping our planet?

[-] silence7@slrpnk.net 14 points 8 months ago

An awful lot are bought off.

[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Even if you want to save the planet, there's only so much you can do if you are forced to work within the confines of the current system.

The vast majority of the global economy is controlled by private entities. These private entities are also the ones primarily responsible for climate change. Negative externalities don't really hurt the profit margin, and the big guys on top know damn well that even if the world around them burns none of that will touch them. In fact, it might cause their product's price to skyrocket.

Here's the kicker. If you order the businesses to be cleaner, they can just shut down the factories and move production to some crappy third world country desperate for any industry at all. It is more profitable to pay kids pennies to work in a dirty factory than to put in the effort to make a clean factory staffed by well-paid workers. This makes the climate situation worse and it screws over your country.

But it doesn't end there, oh no! The bourgeoisie basically has free reign over who gets elected in liberal democracies. The bourgeoisie has complete control over television and massive influence over the Internet. They are also the only people who have the capital to fund your campaign. Many of these media companies have ties to huge polluters (the Murdoch empire comes to mind). Those that aren't still need to get advertisers, and those advertisers are often not gonna be keen on environmental regulations. What this means is that if your campaign endangers their profits, they will bury you. You can't become a well-known candidate purely through Twitter posts, you know. You need advertisements. You need good press. That only comes from big media companies.

You can't just lie during your campaign to overcome this and then implement climate reforms. Aside from the aforementioned factory closing, there are other things that tie you to the capitalists. You see, a politician's power depends on them. They keep you popular. They are also the people providing your government with weapons. They have to be contracted to build infrastructure. If they don't like you, they can cripple you by refusing to do business with you, or worse, your whole country.

This doesn't even cover all the dictatorships and oligarchies directly run by the people who profit from this.

The trouble is, of course, that getting rid of capitalism and the form of government that enables its rise is incredibly hard and even if by some miracle we pull it off in one country, I doubt we'll ever be able to pull it off everywhere at once. That means whatever we build atop the ashes of the system will still be obligated to interact with its remnants.

I am sorry for rambling. It is late in my current time zone, and I am tired. To paraphrase the great mathematician and awful philosopher Pascal, "had I had more time I would've written a shorter text."

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 months ago

Really important to say it here. When capitalist leave a country they leave behind most of the capital in the country. We could just see that with Russia. That means they loose all of the money they invested in the country, which is the one thing capitalists really care about. As for media nearly all countries have public broadcasters and not for profit media is around as well. The Guradian for example is part of a media company, which owns itself and is set up so not private individual should profit from it. There are others like it as well.

[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Simply abandoning the factory is a rare case. Usually you can sell your crap. You can also slowly shift production elsewhere, which is aided by how slowly reform moves. Offices and whatnot can stay in the old country, thus further minimizing losses.

Governmental broadcasts will just end up supporting the current government.

Independent nonprofits are indeed one of the few things that can buckle the system. I agree with you on that fully. That's why I support them heavily. They do, however, still suffer from the question of how they get funding. The Guardian has been operating at a loss for several years now, and a lot of its funding comes from places like the Ford Foundation or Bill and Melinda Gates.

[-] frunch@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

They presume they'll be gone (aka dead) before the shit hits the fan?

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Accelerationists think this is helping

[-] Rolder@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago
  1. Money

  2. Most are old as dirt so won’t be around for the consequences

[-] toaster@slrpnk.net 10 points 8 months ago

They're increasing production each year; they are not under threat but are actually one of the most wealthy, powerful, and influential industries with no need for grassroots support. Don't entertain petroturfing.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Also important to say is that 2023 was not just the year of private fossil fuel companies taking of the mask, but also public ones. We just saw very well how pissed OPEC was at this years COP and it being held in the UAE is a clear sign as well.

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